It's Official, Trump's Team Full Contact with Russian Intelligence.

[Halicia]

Well we don't know what the nature of the calls were, so we need more details before we can start saying anything definitively. But I don't have a good feeling about this.

You don't need to know the nature of the calls.

Being an intelligence asset to a foreign country is treason.

There's no situation where a presidential candidate (or his close advisors) are exchanging calls with the KGB that is *not* treason.

It doesn't matter if they were simply exchanging their opinions on the weather, you cannot communicate with foreign intelligence agencies without reporting it immediately. Failure to report makes you an intelligence asset, and HIGHLY susceptible to blackmail, which generally invalidates any chance of decent security clearance.

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There's this thing called "diplomacy" where people talk to other countries.

Diplomacy is reported and in the open. Espionage is diplomacy done by other means.

And for instance, are you suggesting that Russia fixing the election for Trump was simply "diplomacy" and not Treason ?

[Edge-]

My god, the men and women of the united states government are talking to another country?! HERESY!

But seriously, so? There's this thing called "diplomacy" where people talk to other countries. "BUT BUT, THEY'RE REALLY CLOSE AND SHARING INFORMATION!" So? How do you think you build better relationships with a country? Trust.

Also, I read the articles and it's literally just speculation. Jesus guys...

Before they were in office?

Actually, yeah, you're right : )

[mage21]

You don't need to know the nature of the calls.

Being an intelligence asset to a foreign country is treason.

There's no situation where a presidential candidate (or his close advisors) are exchanging calls with the KGB that is *not* treason.

It doesn't matter if they were simply exchanging their opinions on the weather, you cannot communicate with foreign intelligence agencies without reporting it immediately. Failure to report makes you an intelligence asset, and HIGHLY susceptible to blackmail, which generally invalidates any chance of decent security clearance.

I'm not educated enough about the law, so I'm currently trying to find resources to verify this. Chicago Tribune, New York Times, neither story has this information you're sharing.

What if the communications were with Russian Intelligence that someone from the Trump camp did not know they were Russian Intelligence? What if the calls are about something business-related, no political or illegal activity at all? Doesn't the threat of blackmail arise from public descriptions of the interaction differing from the actual conversation?

[Breccia]

My god, the men and women of the united states government are talking to another country?!

Let's put this into perspective: Flynn was just forced to resign because he talked to another country.

[Barnabas]

Once more deflecting and not knowing what Queefing is....

Just magical.

yet another shitpost from you. par for the course.

[Jtbrig7390]

yet another shitpost from you. par for the course.

Keep deflecting champ.

[Nathreim]

Let's put this into perspective: Flynn was just forced to resign because he talked to another country.

No he was forced to resign because he lied to the Vice President.

[mage21]

Let's put this into perspective: Flynn was just forced to resign because he talked to another country.

Wasn't it because he lied about it?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Trump won kiddos, it's time to stop crying now.

He won on the 9th of November, and was inaugurated on the 20th of January.

So yeah, everyone is done crying about that.

We're now revving up and breaking out the popcorn to watch the impeachment proceedings.

[Cathululock]

Except the armed forces is pretty much on there side. I'm in the military and almost everyone from top to bottom is a "trumpkin."

I doubt it would ever come to blows, but if it did it would not go well for the left.

[Gref]

hilary > wikileaks provided by russia
trump > US officials.

now if I was american, which one I would trust hmmm

[Cthulhu 2020]

hilary > wikileaks provided by russia
trump > US officials.

now if I was american, which one I would trust hmmm

For those who hate Hillary, liberals, Democracy, and the constitution, the answer is clear which one they'd trust.

[Jtbrig7390]

hilary > wikileaks provided by russia
trump > US officials.

now if I was american, which one I would trust hmmm

No matter what one people would trust this statement is pointless.

Getting Trump impeached will not give Hillary the office.

People need to stop deflecting to Obama or Hillary. If ether of them did anything as bad or bad at all (Not saying they did or didn't) It does not excuse what Trump has and is doing.

Trump is a grown ass man and needs to be held accountable for this actions.

[Edge-]

By the 9 Divine, you're right! How dare they talk to people in other countries if they're not in government yet!

About impending sanctions that were not yet announced by the Obama administration?

Again, actually, yeah, you're right : )

[ringpriest]

No he was forced to resign because he lied to the Vice President.

And what, exactly did he lie to the VP about?

[bewbew]

Sounds like the most ridiculous law ever.

How exactly are you able to determine if he this conversations were in any way, shape or form something detriment to America's interests?

You keep speaking about "he was negotiating with the enemy". As far as I'm aware, the USA is involved with wars in Syria, Pakistan, Somalia, Lybia, Iraq, Yemen and Afeghanistan.

So to put it bluntly, Russia is not even a formal enemy. It's just shady bullshit the previous governments built up for their own particular interests (See Lybia).

My country had 13 years of extreme left corruption. This makes you skeptical of people who held power for a long time and could set judges, Intelligence and Army officers. After all, who nominated the US intelligence officials that are showing up and saying he commited treason? Who has any beneffit to this accusation?

Oh right.

[mage21]

Sounds like the most ridiculous law ever.

How exactly are you able to determine if he this conversations were in any way, shape or form something detriment to America's interests?

You keep speaking about "he was negotiating with the enemy". As far as I'm aware, the USA is involved with wars in Syria, Pakistan, Somalia, Lybia, Iraq, Yemen and Afeghanistan.

So to put it bluntly, Russia is not even a formal enemy. It's just shady bullshit the previous governments built up for their own particular interests (See Lybia).

My country had 13 years of extreme left corruption. This makes you skeptical of people who held power for a long time and could set judges, Intelligence and Army officers. After all, who nominated the US intelligence officials that are showing up and saying he commited treason? Who has any beneffit to this accusation?

Oh right.

As Ben Shapiro put it, is the Intelligence Community now a shadow government? If the Intelligence Community is actively working against the president to push their own agenda, who's watching the watchers?

That aside, I'm eager to know just what these communications were. If there is no real substance to be found, my worries about the IC are going to increase greatly.

[Edge-]

spec-u-lay-shun. Reread the article friendo, it never specifies what he talked about outside of "sanctions" it could have been something like this "Obama is pissed brosef, he's probably going to do some sort of sanctions on you guys, however just know that we'll reverse any and all sanctions he throws at you if Trump gets into office."

Then boom, he would have talked about the sanctions the day before they happened. Oh snap hold the phone, call the presses, etc etc. This is legit 100% speculation.

Also, crap, I got this confused. This is discussing that they were having talks during the election. This is different than Flynn, my mistake.

No, it is not normal for campaign officials to be in regular communications with a foreign government, and especially not directly with their intelligence officials. It's beyond suspicious as all hell.

[downnola]

At this point I think Trump was right on one thing: he could shoot someone, unprovoked, in broad daylight, in the middle of the street, and would still have crowds of people defending and supporting him. I mean, this isn't some Jill "Tofu Palin" stein level conspiracy theory nonsense, there are multiple legitimate scandals surfacing right now. If you claim to be objective, now is the time to prove it.

[Breccia]

No he was forced to resign because he lied to the Vice President.

Wasn't it because he lied about it?

About that.
1) Lying to the Vice President about not caring for Swiss cheese is not worth demanding a resignation. Flynn lied about something important. And he wasn't under oath, so don't bring up the Clinton impeachment as it doesn't fit.
2) Even ignoring the topic of this thread, by Spicer's admission, Trump knew about this weeks beforehand. So if the issue was Flynn lying to the Vice President, he should have been forced to resign weeks ago. The Trump team narrative is first, they went through their White House counsel to make sure Flynn didn't break any laws -- they say he didn't, but then again, they fired Yates for disagreeing with Trump's interpretation so I'm not convinced they're allowed to disagree here -- and only after that, only after exhonorating him from legal and ethical wrongdoing, fired him anyway. If the issue was lying, why wait? They had proof weeks ago.

"It doesn't make sense."

The best you could hope for, is that Trump did demand the resignation for the reasons he said, but waited until the worst possible time to do it, for reasons that defy any kind of logic. Anything else, and Trump is lying about it being about trust. Which, in turn, means that Flynn did something pretty bad.

Which, as this thread is about, supposedly other people in his campaign were doing, routinely.

P.S. I am not taking Trump on his word that they did a complete legal review behind closed doors, found nothing wrong, and that's the end of it. He did the same thing with his travel ban, and has been summarily denied. The WH legal counsel's results are literally zero percent right now.

EDIT: This is the Sean Spicer transcript. You will note that the very first question he was asked was about Trump, or anyone in his campaign, talking to Russia before the election. Please read the question and answer, and hell with it, the rest of the transcript.