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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by NYC17 View Post
    My gut reaction is someone's been spending too much time arguing on the internet. I don't believe anyone worth having a discussion with believes "all Trump supports are racist etc". It's a red herring argument designed to reinforce the idea that they're the real victims of whatever they want to define as liberal oppression.

    It's all tiresome nonsense.
    pretty much this. we know why the Dem's lost, and it had little to do with the liberal base so much as the democratic establishment being a bunch of buffoons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taneras View Post
    You don't think the DNC was rigged against Bernie and that various media outlets were helping Hillary behind the scenes?
    When rabid Bernie Bros are asked to provide examples of this, they always seem to come up empty handed. They'll scream something about email collaboration, but that's not an example of actively trying to undermine Bernie. The Clinton campaign's attacks on Bernie (if you can even call them that) were mild as best.

    When rabid Bernie Bros do come up with "examples" of scathing attacks on Bernie, it turns out the commercials, ads, and articles they provide were written by conservatives back when they were attacking Bernie for being a socialist.

    And the funniest part is, these same conservatives who were absolutely eviscerating Bernie for being a poor, socialist, old man, began concern trolling after he lost the primary. "Oh no Bernie, those Democrats were so unfair to you! Fight back! Don't support Clinton! Please forget that we were viciously attacking you before all of this."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baelic View Post
    And you'd be 100% correct that shit was going backwards, I still don't believe that the answer is to tear down the whole foundation of democracy to steer it towards progress though. The law of unintended consequences (you need only look at the middle-east ban for a clear example) will bite the whole world in the ass if we aren't careful.
    If you already feel like you're sinking why not grasp for straws.
    Vote for Hillery which prob would have been Obama 2.0 or try something different. insanity doing the same thing and expecting different results

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damajin View Post
    Of course someone like you wouldn't let your bias get in the way of a realistic appraisal of Hillary and her record, nah nope nadda.
    But someone like you would. I've never seen her as perfect, far from it - and I've said so many times. But she was by far the best candidate in 2016. And all the evidence nowadays demonstrates that point.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Dugraka View Post
    The polls also had Clinton beating Trump in the general election...
    And the Republicans had reams of opposition research on Bernie that they were holding back in case he got the nomination. Multiple journalists have seen them.
    Bernie would have been raked over the coals all summer as a "Communist", and naive Rust Belt voters would still have chosen a Billionaire over a Communist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beazy View Post
    I didnt vote for Hillary because a strong woman, worthy of leading the country, wouldn't have let her husband humiliate her in front of ten billion people. She didn't divorce Bill Clinton because she craves power and position. That's the number one reason she didn't get my vote. Voting Gary Johnson was the easiest decision I made in 2016. I literally spend more time in the McDonalds drive through deciding my lunch.
    But you're smart enough to know that any vote for Gary was just a backwards vote for Trump. If you didn't, you need to spend less time thinking about McDonalds.

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by LaserChild9 View Post
    I'm not advocating what Bill Clinton did, but if you wanna bring him into it, lets do that. So, both are the top 2 presidents to gain the fastest majority disapproval rating, only trump was slightly faster, 71.625 times as fast in fact. Looks like Clinton was likable for far longer...
    I'm more bringing into the fact that most folks don't care so much about sexual misconduct. Admittedly I was surprise at how popular Clinton stayed after his scandal, he even had scandals before he was elected and it didn't seem to matter. That was my wake up call. People who are still going on about Trump and his "Grab'em by the pussy" comment is ignoring the precedent set by Bill's popularity afterwards. That folks don't care that much about it.

    Oddly Gary Hart and that other guy John Edwards, didn't fair so well in light of their sexual opps. Granted Edwards issues were more because of his dipping in the election pot.

  8. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi Batman View Post
    The biggest problem with Bernie is that he had a lot of holes and void space in his policy. He talked about free college and health care and... not much else. People wanted to know about his foreign policy and military strategy, they wanted to know about so much that he simply never addressed. His campaign had massive holes in it that you could drive the Hindenburg through. And of course those holes are probably a big reason why he lost as well. Many of the more skeptical and pragmatic liberals didn't like that he had no plans for a great majority of what the president does.
    Many truths here.
    Also, Bernie's message and experience with minority concerns and issues was almost non-existent. He lost many of the early primaries by wide margins due to low minority support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taneras View Post
    You don't think the DNC was rigged against Bernie and that various media outlets were helping Hillary behind the scenes?
    People in the DNC wanted Hillary to win, yes. Because she was a long time Democrat, and Bernie was not even a Democrat.
    The charges of "rigging" are almost completely overblown overlook the fact that he lost by millions of votes.
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  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    But someone like you would. I've never seen her as perfect, far from it - and I've said so many times. But she was by far the best candidate in 2016. And all the evidence nowadays demonstrates that point.
    Hahahaha.

    We're two partisans in a pod man, it's alright I'm not holding it against you. The more partisans the better.

    The best candidate? Jesus that must be some strong koolaid. NO candidate running in 2016 was worth a damn, not a single one. If you want to give her a 'the best of a shit bunch' award by all means, though of course an insane number of people will not only disagree but laugh at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taneras View Post
    You don't think the DNC was rigged against Bernie and that various media outlets were helping Hillary behind the scenes?
    What does it matter what I think? That's what happened. Why are you asking me about facts?

    My point is that you hand wave abysmal behavior and actions from Trump as equivalent to what you listed above (and before). And they are not.

    And that's the thesis of my point.

    You make a ridiculous argument that what you listed above is equivalent to a President "grabbing them by the pussy" (what a terrific role model for young women) and all the other absolutely horrible behavior by Trump is the same - and it's not, by any logical or rational evaluation.

    Then when people respond, you claim "fake outrage" and "fake news", the typical Trumper deflection and obfuscation that never worked on anyone with a rash of intelligence.

    We knew beforehand that Trump was talking to Russia - "fake news"! Whoops, guess it wasn't. We knew he was a horrible person with women and people who worked for him - "fake news"! Whoops, guess it wasn't. We knew he was only out for himself and would not divest or blind trust any of his assets, and make the White House his personal cash machine - "fake outrage"! Whoops, guess we were right.

    Every accusation against Trump has been proven correct, but emails are more important than treason, so now we have President Cheetor literally ruining this country.

    His Impeachment can't happen fast enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damajin View Post
    Hahahaha.

    We're two partisans in a pod man, it's alright I'm not holding it against you. The more partisans the better.

    The best candidate? Jesus that must be some strong koolaid. NO candidate running in 2016 was worth a damn, not a single one. If you want to give her a 'the best of a shit bunch' award by all means, though of course an insane number of people will not only disagree but laugh at it.
    The only people chugging kool-aid at this point are the people backing Trump. Hillary wasn't the best candidate for a variety of reasons - but she sure as shit was the best in 2016 (of those that could have gotten elected - not in the primary, talking general).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugraka View Post
    People are too quick to say humans will go mad without work. Sure some will be lazy sobs and be content to live at the lowest possible level imaginable but most people will find the means to give their life purpose and contribute in some fashion.
    Its such a dismal view of humanity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Packers01 View Post
    I'm sinking. Should I look to someone who was looking at education reform that might help me find a new job or vote for someone who lied about bringing coal jobs back.
    can't know they lied till they get into power, hell the most issues people have with trump right now seems to be he is trying to carry though with his promises even some of the dumb ones, and if the Dem's didn't seem to be helping them that much under the last 8 years why as a party should they get more chances.

  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    What does it matter what I think? That's what happened. Why are you asking me about facts?

    My point is that you hand wave abysmal behavior and actions from Trump as equivalent to what you listed above (and before). And they are not.

    And that's the thesis of my point.

    You make a ridiculous argument that what you listed above is equivalent to a President "grabbing them by the pussy" (what a terrific role model for young women) and all the other absolutely horrible behavior by Trump is the same - and it's not, by any logical or rational evaluation.

    Then when people respond, you claim "fake outrage" and "fake news", the typical Trumper deflection and obfuscation that never worked on anyone with a rash of intelligence.

    We knew beforehand that Trump was talking to Russia - "fake news"! Whoops, guess it wasn't. We knew he was a horrible person with women and people who worked for him - "fake news"! Whoops, guess it wasn't. We knew he was only out for himself and would not divest or blind trust any of his assets, and make the White House his personal cash machine - "fake outrage"! Whoops, guess we were right.

    Every accusation against Trump has been proven correct, but emails are more important than treason, so now we have President Cheetor literally ruining this country.

    His Impeachment can't happen fast enough.

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    The only people chugging kool-aid at this point are the people backing Trump. Hillary wasn't the best candidate for a variety of reasons - but she sure as shit was the best in 2016 (of those that could have gotten elected - not in the primary, talking general).
    I'd say it's more than just Trump supports drinking koolaid, but you're not ever meant to agree with me so it's fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    Well he spoke the truth, I bet this thread won't last long.
    Waaaahh i think all the moderators are out to get us.


    Working class, working class parents, working class......


    meanwhile what has trump done in the first month? Giveaways to the rich and corporations. Bank deregulation, oil company deregulation, environmental roll backs, etc etc

    He sold out his entire cabinet to the very people Trump supporters were railing about. I mean how many times did we hear about Hillary and Goldman?? Now they litter his cabinet and support staff.


    You gave the wolf the keys to the hen house.

    He is Hillary with a Penis.

    She lost because she did not make enough promises that cannot be accomplished then trump did, in 4 states. If she went hog crazy promising the world to these people she would have won. Shame these people will realize this too late to actually help themselves.

    My favorite is bringing back car manufacturing to the US when they have such a huge glut of inventory there will be no expansion of manufacturing. You can't restore jobs lost to Robots and you cannot fight slave labor just by making promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyK923 View Post
    Turnip won because Hillary was a bad candidate.

    Why are we still having this conversation almost 4 months after the election? Its just a distraction from the dumpster fire that is the Turnip Administration.
    Exactly. This is all Trumpers have left - the same tired deflection and obfuscation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damajin View Post
    I'd say it's more than just Trump supports drinking koolaid, but you're not ever meant to agree with me so it's fine.
    Thanks, again, for proving my point. Let us know if you want out of the kiddie room for big-boy talk. Or were you actually going to provide any "rational arguments" - lol. Jesus, you fucking Trumpers crack me up.

    Keep on chugging away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrerBear View Post
    Many truths here.
    Also, Bernie's message and experience with minority concerns and issues was almost non-existent. He lost many of the early primaries by wide margins due to low minority support.
    This was grossly misconstrued. Bernie was literally arrested for protesting segregation. He was a stalwart civil rightts activist.
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    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrerBear View Post
    People in the DNC wanted Hillary to win, yes. Because she was a long time Democrat, and Bernie was not even a Democrat.
    The charges of "rigging" are almost completely overblown overlook the fact that he lost by millions of votes.
    There where states where it was close -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Result...rimaries,_2016

    And if you don't think that a party pretending to be fair but working behind closed doors to undermine a candidate is wrong? Well I guess that's why you would support Hillary. If it was over blown the DNC chairwoman Debbie Schultz wouldn't have stepped down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad_Murdock View Post
    I'm more bringing into the fact that most folks don't care so much about sexual misconduct.
    Fair enough, but the guy that was defending his vote cited sexism to be one of the reasons he voted the way he did yet the guy he voted for has said that he can grab em by the pussy because he can do anything due to his fame. That's hypocrisy right there. AND what Bill Clinton did was not sexist, it was a bit kinky and not how the President should act, but it was between 2 consenting adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packers01 View Post
    Yes, yes you can. Those jobs are never coming back.
    I'm sure if you show all the solid proof you have to those people I'm sure they will fall right in line, do let me know how that goes.

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