Cant take this anymore, impeach Trump.

[YourExWife]

Trump has built his entire life on getting all the others to do things in his stead. And what do the dishonest do when exposed? They start slander campaigns to preserve their own ill-gotten power, of course.

Still, as much as it is justifiable to hate on Trump for doing what he does, he is just making a living. Ultimately, is there really any honesty in that? We are all just big, wet sluts, waiting for a larger rod to come along and tell us what to think, what to believe, how to behave...

The only difference with Hillary is that she would have had to wear a strap-on to fuck America with the same intensity.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Can we impeach him because he lied to everyone, and might be committing treason, too? Can we do that? Or is he above the law now?

That's why Clinton was impeached - because he lied. Seems strange that we're going to let Trump get away with the same thing. Especially since Clinton lied about getting a blow job, and Trump is lying about things that are far more severe.

But anyway, it seems that the implication that Trump was in on the negotiations with Russia along with Flynn are becoming far far far more evident as the truth. And in light of this, Trump is now condemning any leaks coming out about his administration.

You know, after saying that when Hillary's entire email history was dumped on wikileaks, that the American people want transparency and the truth from their leaders.

[cubby]

The "instability" is coming entirely from the left and its pocket monster named: "The Media"

Trump is our fault. As soon as we embrace that fact we can begin to reconnect with people again.

That is a really good point - at some level the left has no one to blame but themselves, if for nothing else than not listening to the other side. Hearing what their concerns and fears are and trying to address them, rather than lash out with labels that just pushed people away.

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Alright but we are gonna do it in the white house

For the time being. Might not last the year.

Also, I love how you abandoned all you points when faced with the first inkling of logic and reason. Well done. MAGA!, even.

(also, just an observation - that was pretty funny - the "in the white house" part - props where they are deserved, even if we disagree on everything else)

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Keep hoping. It won't happen.

[ohiostate124]

So you're not aware of the 9th Circuit Federal Court of Appeals ruling the EO unconstitutional? You don't get the news where you live?

Oh you mean the "Muslim ban"?

Congress expressly granted the president broad discretionary and non-reviewable authority to “suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens . . . or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate” if he finds that such an entry “would be detrimental to the interests of the United States.”

Not to mention the fact that Obama came up with the list of countries and your hero has used that power before.

You don't want to help anyone understand anything. You just want to insult anyone who don't share your opinion. See you in 2024.

[Berengil]

That is a really good point - at some level the left has no one to blame but themselves, if for nothing else than not listening to the other side. Hearing what their concerns and fears are and trying to address them, rather than lash out with labels that just pushed people away.

That's what I've been saying all along, and why I voted for Bernie. People tend not to give too much of a sht about rights and freedoms when they're worried about paying the mortgage and finding a job.

Who would've ever believed it? The Dems pissed away the New Deal coalition, basically ignoring blue collar issues, and it came back to bite them in the butt.

[ImpTaimer]

The reaction from "liberals" is no different than from the "racists" when Obama was inaugurated. Being upset and looking for reasons to be upset. Wanting evidence to be real to the point they're willing to fabricate/spin every piece of information.

There is no logical foundation behind this behavior. It's completely echo-culture psychosomatic.

Where were the "liberals" when Bush won? Why weren't they as loud and combative? Oh right, they were too scared in their hypocritical safe-places after 9/11 (and ironically sympathizing with terrorists just as they are now). Bush's get-out-of-controversy free card for the next 4-8 years.

I'm just annoyed at all this illegitimate anger. If there was any legitimacy to it they wouldn't have lost the Senate and Presidency. Funny how all "liberal" political figures that still have seats are just rich dumbasses that have constantly dug themselves into holes with lying as well.

You're just loud, annoying, hyprocritical pseudo-intellectuals.

Mods add a fucking Political section to General-Offtopic already.

That's why Clinton was impeached

He wasn't. He was trialed, and acquitted. His impeachment was not over his lie either, but his actions. Bush and Obama lied too, but weren't impeached.

Nixon was going to be impeached, but he resigned before he could be.

Trump isn't going to be trialed for impeachment over "lies". It has to be over actions. He has done absolutely nothing worth impeaching over.

[Fugus]

He's everything he told US he would be. And we voted for him. You don't just get to impeach the president because you don't like him without consequences.

Actually, while he legitimately won with the rules as they were setup. The US flat out didn't vote for him.

Neither candidate got the majority of the votes and even then Trump still lost the popular vote by 2.8 million votes compared to Clinton who no one wanted either.

Quite literally the only reason he won was due to the electoral college which disenfranchised voters in all states big and small due to 48 of them being winner-take-all and even then he still only won by about 120,000 votes out of over 130+ million votes. Then you had to take into accounts the cross-check system that, from what I have read, wiped out millions from the votes being heavily in favor of Trump with how it was setup. All of that combined with the fact that Clinton actively worked to run off her voters after cheating in the primaries.

2 out of the last 5 presidents were the losers of that election with there only being 5 cases in US history I have read about with this being the most extreme case of the loser winning in US history.

Without the Electoral College screwing the will of the voters, Trump would not be president. Clinton would be.

Without the Electoral College existing and it going to the will of the voters, none of them would be president as none of them got the majority of the votes and if a ranked method was used the primaries wouldn't have been needed and Sanders would have probably won by all data given as then they couldn't cheat the primaries like they did were Clinton and the DNC worked with the media and cheated in both primaries.

No Electoral College, ranked popular voting method should be the method we use as that would allow for more than 2 parties and would stop cases where the loser still gets the trophy like has happened 2 this century so far.

[ImpTaimer]

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There is no nation-wide popular vote and never has been. It is still state-by-state basis.

If you don't like it go to a country that cares about popular vote. You know, the ones that have voter-ID laws.

[Cthulhu 2020]

He wasn't. He was trialed, and acquitted. His impeachment was not over his lie either, but his actions. Bush and Obama lied too, but weren't impeached.

Nixon was going to be impeached, but he resigned before he could be.

Trump isn't going to be trialed for impeachment over "lies". It has to be over actions. He has done absolutely nothing worth impeaching over.

He was impeached, which is what it means to trial him. He was acquitted though. Impeachment just means taking to trial. It's not the same thing as a conviction or removal from office. Many think he was impeached because he got the blowjob, but in reality it was for lying about it. The impeachment was questioned over whether or not his lie about getting a blowjob would affect his ability to perform the job of the presidency, which the ultimate answer was "no, it would not impact his ability to perform the duties of the presidency."


As far as we know, Trump has not done anything impeachment worthy. But if it's found out that he was in with Flynn on the Russian negotiations during his campaign, then that would definitely be worthy of impeachment proceedings.

[TexasRules]

Seeing as the right has always been in power in the US, i'm not sure how its rising.

Yep, the right passed the ACA. All the Republicans voted against it, but they passed it somehow with negative votes.

The original post is ridiculous. I can't tale it anymore whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Get over it, your party lost...to quote obama:

"You don't like a particular policy or a particular president? Then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election. Push to change it. But don't break it. Don't break what our predecessors spent over two centuries building. That's not being faithful to what this country's about."

[Fugus]

There is no nation-wide popular vote and never has been. It is still state-by-state basis.

If you don't like it go to a country that cares about popular vote. You know, the ones that have voter-ID laws.

I didn't say that the US goes by popular vote. I was responding to the guy who said that the people voted for this when it demonstrably did not and actually voted against it.

And as I said, the State-by-State basis actually screws the voters within those states by throwing out the votes of whichever side didn't get the majority whether the person won with 50.1% of the vote or they won with 90% of the vote. In our election, those results are equal for choosing the president.

I also advocated that the US eventually adopt an actual voting method that represents the will of the people instead of forcing it to a 2 party system that screws the voters out of any real choice and makes sure 3rd parties can never be viable long term.

[TwoNineMarine]

I think people are blowing things out of proportion too much. What exactly has he done so far that other presidents haven't?

He's not the first to piss off China or kiss Russian ass.
He's not the first one to dislike immigrants.
And he certainly isn't the first one to have conservative views.



Whether you like it or not, the people voted for him, that is how Democracy works and neo-liberals who are going batshit crazy over it need to chill the fuck out.

As for banning immigrants from muslim countries, then tough luck. Polls show that the silent majority of westerners (Europe, Australia & North America) aren't against it, it just looks that way because the people who are against it are also the loudest and they never miss a chance to throw dirt at Trump.
And boy does the media love portraying Trump in a bad light... he sells papers, and as such, everything bad that he does is put under a magnifying glass despite the fact that others before him have made blunders.


Also before anyone flames me, no, I don't support Trump or even like him and his policies.

Basically this.

I've yet to really see any proof of him doing "horrible" things or breaking any actual laws. He hasn't done anything that any past President hasn't done already. And none of them got nearly the same amount of shit he's getting.

[Berengil]

He was impeached, which is what it means to trial him. He was acquitted though. Impeachment just means taking to trial. It's not the same thing as a conviction or removal from office. Many think he was impeached because he got the blowjob, but in reality it was for lying about it. The impeachment was questioned over whether or not his lie about getting a blowjob would affect his ability to perform the job of the presidency, which the ultimate answer was "no, it would not impact his ability to perform the duties of the presidency."


As far as we know, Trump has not done anything impeachment worthy. But if it's found out that he was in with Flynn on the Russian negotiations during his campaign, then that would definitely be worthy of impeachment proceedings.

Bats, can you imagine the following scenario: Trump is impeached, trial goes to the Senate, Trump goes all in with a campaign to get voters to swamp their reps/senators with emails and so forth demanding acquittal, enough GOPers vote no, he's acquitted. Because they do have to get 2/3 in the Senate.

Can you imagine the gloating, the sheer naked delight?

And it's not outside the realm of possibility. Politicians are motivated by wanting to retain power. If the GOP Congress members are convinced they are gone next election if they vote to impeach Trump, we could see an acquittal.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Bats, can you imagine the following scenario: Trump is impeached, trial goes to the Senate, Trump goes all in with a campaign to get voters to swamp their reps/senators with emails and so forth demanding acquittal, enough GOPers vote no, he's acquitted. because they do have to get 2/3 in the Senate.

Can you imagine the gloating, the sheer naked delight?

And it's not outside the realm of possibility. Politicians are motivated by wanting to retain power. If the GOP Congress members are convinced they are gone next election if they vote to impeach Trump, we could see an acquittal. Because they do have to get 2/3 in the Senate.

Which is exactly why Al Gore won in 2000, when Clinton was impeached and then acquitted when the senate voted along party lines to acquit.

[Fugus]

You live in CA, get some weed and calm down. Civil disobedience, and calling your representatives/voting, etc usually amount to something, having an emotional breakdown is only hurting you.

Until Jeff Sessions sends the federal government into California to shut down the growers and dispensaries and starts trying to arrest their members for using pot on federal charges.

Not sure if that would happen to that extent but Sessions made sure to tap dance around the question when asked if he would do that.

[Berengil]

Which is exactly why Al Gore won in 2000, when Clinton was impeached and then acquitted when the senate voted along party lines to acquit.

I... don't understand. What point are you trying to make?
@Jedi Batman

I don't get what you're trying to say.

[Revik]

Oh, the ones that were unconstitutional? Those? Great example.

Well Circuit 9 Court of Appeals does have an 79% overturn rate by the Supreme Court. I wouldn't exactly get my hopes up that it was "unconstitutional" and some one so versed would realize that many presidents prior have done travel bans to various countries for various reasons without any issue. Why so against this one? Because MSM says so?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Say, does anyone remember during campaign season, when Hillary's emails and Weiner's emails were being plastered all over wikileaks, and Trump and his cult were saying that the American people want transparency and the truth from their leaders?

Why are you guys so against an investigation into Trump? Why are you so against documents and records of calls made to Russia being investigated and leaked? I thought you wanted the truth, but I guess you don't now?

Make up your minds already.

[Turaska]

You ready for Pence?

Pence is just a token VP, he'll NEVER come to power, he's way too wrapped up in religion to lead an entire nation.