‘Our land’: Russia tells US that Crimea won’t be ‘given back’ to Ukraine

[Shalcker]

Which is why I feel that the only acceptable solution for Crimea would have been independence from both Ukraine and Russia.

Why exactly do you wish suffering on people there?

Is that the same reasoning as "the only acceptable solution for Syria is 'Assad must go'"?

[Charge me Doctor]

well what the fuck were they doing in Ukraine then?

Living there. Imagine Denmark all of the sudden giving Copenhagen to Ukraine, bam, now you are Ukrainian citizen. That's what basically happened with Crimea - it was always Russian, but mr Chruschev decided that it's not worth to keep these people fed and warm and instead of building infrastructure handled them over to other country

[Crispin]

It's also worth noting that the were Tatars in favour of rejoining Russia in the polls too (due in part to Ukraine discriminating against them after taking over Crimea).

Polls? Didnt Brexit and Trump teach you anything?

[Machismo]

You are selectively ignoring parts of post. None of those cases any any relevant. Stop shitposting.

Clearly, China should be able to annex parts of Eastern Russia, since the inhabitants would want to be part of China.

[Shalcker]

There is no point in arguing with him. Whatever Putin does can never be wrong in his head.

He did plenty of stuff wrong; Crimea isn't one of those cases however. Sorry.

[Crispin]

Ukraine used force in order to suppress their rightful actions towards independence. Also, transfer of Crimea to Ukraine also wasn't done completely legit.

As would any country with a region trying to break away. It was done within the Soviet Union by their leaders, did the court reject it or something?

[Machismo]

Why exactly do you wish suffering on people there?

Is that the same reasoning as "the only acceptable solution for Syria is 'Assad must go'"?

Well, since Assad has been causing a great deal of that suffering, keeping him there means that the suffering will continue.

[Flarelaine]

Ukraine used force in order to suppress their rightful actions towards independence. Also, transfer of Crimea to Ukraine also wasn't done completely legit.

Get off this. It was done by the fucken Supreme Soviet. You don't get more legit than that.

[Deleted]

Well, for starters, we have the actual Soviet Union, and continued threats of violence for leaving it. We have Chechnya... Russians really don't like to let people and land go.

Soviet Union has nothing to do with it.
Chechnya - go read history. Until you get basic education and facts straight, you are just shitposting.

[Crispin]

You are selectively ignoring parts of post. None of those cases any any relevant. Stop shitposting.

So you've got no counterargument other than "stop shitposting"

[Deleted]

Clearly, China should be able to annex parts of Eastern Russia, since the inhabitants would want to be part of China.

If that would be the case, I don't see why not. But its nothing but hypothetical scenario. Crimea isn't a hypothetical scenario.

[Charge me Doctor]

Clearly, China should be able to annex parts of Eastern Russia, since the inhabitants would want to be part of China.

Inhabitants and legal citizens are different things, you know.

[Machismo]

Soviet Union has nothing to do with it.
Chechnya - go read history. Until you get basic education and facts straight, you are just shitposting.

It has everything to do with it. Russia did not want to let their little buddies go, did they. They were so butt hurt, they decided to fight quite a lot of battles afterwards to try and force them back under their thumbs.

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Inhabitants and legal citizens are different things, you know.

So, you want to take away their freedoms, got it.

[Deleted]

So you've got no counterargument other than "stop shitposting"

Because your entire argument is based on completely ignoring everything and just posting for sake of posting.

Your Kaliningrad example: irrelevant because Germans don't live there. If Germans lived there and were majority, it would have been comparable to Crimea.

[Machismo]

If that would be the case, I don't see why not. But its nothing but hypothetical scenario. Crimea isn't a hypothetical scenario.

You are right, Crimea is a real scenario where Russia annexed land from another nation. Many of the people in that land did not wish to be a part of Russia.

[caervek]

How about this, Russia openly admits to secure Crimea by force from until shit calms down in Ukraine and begin working diplomatic connections to give the Crimeans a referendum in the future.

That would have produced an identical result...

[Charge me Doctor]

It has everything to do with it. Russia did not want to let their little buddies go, did they. They were so butt hurt, they decided to fight quite a lot of battles afterwards to try and force them back under their thumbs.

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So, you want to take away their freedoms, got it.

Chinese do not have freedom to go to russia as they please and live here, they have to get citizenship first, then live for 5 years, then vote for anything

[Crispin]

Living there. Imagine Denmark all of the sudden giving Copenhagen to Ukraine, bam, now you are Ukrainian citizen. That's what basically happened with Crimea - it was always Russian, but mr Chruschev decided that it's not worth to keep these people fed and warm and instead of building infrastructure handled them over to other country

I don't think our capital is a fair comparison :P Bornholm is probably our version of Crimea, frankly I wouldnt care if it were given to Sweden or Germany, Russians were moved to Crimea like they were to kaliningrad, correct?

[Machismo]

Chinese do not have freedom to go to russia as they please and live here, they have to get citizenship first, then live for 5 years, then vote for anything

Thanks for agreeing with me, you want to take away someone else's freedoms.

[Deleted]

It has everything to do with it. Russia did not want to let their little buddies go, did they. They were so butt hurt, they decided to fight quite a lot of battles afterwards to try and force them back under their thumbs.

Ukraine was part of USSR as well as Russia. So USSR vs Ukraine nonsense is illogical.