Slippery slope in practice: Now It’s Okay to Punch Nazis and White Male Libertarians

[Dhrizzle]

Thoughts on this?
I mean, obviously, it is a good thing to attack nazis on all fronts - but it should be on legal grounds.

Who is Mike Monteiro and why do you consider him an authority on who it's okay to punch?

Here's an alternate take for you - it's not okay to punch anyone unless necessary to prevent them causing harm to others. With some people (Nazis, Piers Morgan, many politicians and reality TV stars...) there's an incredible sense of satisfaction in seeing them punched but that doesn't mean it is okay to do so.

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If it's ok to punch nazis, then it's ok to punch communists as both ideologies have killed millions.

You need to refine it down to Stalinists really, unless you want to expand your punching nazis to include all form of nationalists. Probably better to adopt a "it's okay to punch totalitarianists" or "it's okay to punch racists" policy if you want some sort of moral superiority over the ideologies you attack.

[Immitis]

so you wouldnt have the balls to punch one yourself then

oh i have punched many a nazi in my day, happens when you're jewish and live in the south.

just like the creator of captain america would say, nazis should be destroyed



we didnt win world war 2 to not beat the shit out of nazis

[Theodarzna]

Thoughts on this?
I mean, obviously, it is a good thing to attack nazis on all fronts - but it should be on legal grounds.

Many segments of American society are still in complete shock that Trump is president and they are not handling it well.

[purebalance]

Do these trolls want us to build an atomic safe space bunker for them?
Holy shit, what a whining. We do not need an entire essay every time someone says something on Twitter that they find offensive.

Imagine if the other side would do this, write an entire story every time someone advocates for a Holocaust or ethnic cleansing. The internet would double in size within a year.

Oh here comes the edgelord again suggesting they want safe spaces when people are actually being violent not saying "mean things" that the left created spaces for people to shelter from. Just stop with this nonsense and stop using pejorative speech.

And oh please, the left cries more than the right on a daily basis. The left has become the violent side however now. The funny thing is the left gets away with asking for ethnic cleansing.

[Liftbrul]

Political violence is never acceptable and should never be celebrated. I mean if it were, we'd have every pinko-sympathizing liberal and leftist loser hanging by a tree.

And nobody wants that.

[Spiffums]

If they mean it's ok to sucker punch someone like a little bitch.......no that's not ok.

If they mean to fight back in self defense then that's fine......but can't claim self defense because someone hurt your feelings with something they said that wasn't directly at you.

[Noogai131]

I think the issue stems from groups of people being able to label people they disagree with as Nazi's. Like everybody saying Pewdiepie is now a Nazi, even though whilst he makes off color jokes he clearly states in multiple videos he does it for satire and jokes, and that he is VERY against anti-semitism. Yet somehow he's a Nazi, even though he's not a white supremacist, and clearly supports multiculturalism.

If people can label him as a Nazi, and now it's OK for violence to be committed against Nazi's, what's to stop somebody labeling anybody they disagree with as a Nazi, therefore legitimizing violence against political and ideological opponents?

Don't get me wrong, I won't condemn people that beat up ACTUAL Nazi's, like the "Fuck all N***, fuck jews gas the kikes race war now" kind of people. I just have a STRONG dislike of legitimizing violence against people for their beliefs. It's kinda the exact same thing the Nazi's did, ya know?

[ringpriest]

Thoughts on this?
I mean, obviously, it is a good thing to attack nazis on all fronts - but it should be on legal grounds.

Speaking (a little) hypothetically, if Trump's attorney general refuses to prosecute Trump administration officials for breaking the law, and if the GOP-controlled Congress refuses to remove their President from office when he is guilty of High Crimes and Misdemeanors, what ought the (non-cultist) American public do?

Or to put in another way, Trump-cultists believe their messiah when he says he won the biggest electoral vote victory since Reagan - that's a relatively harmless delusion; but what happens when he says that he's making it legal for Trump-cultists to kill anyone who doesn't offer up prayers to Trump on demand - what is the response to a madman and his followers who reject the very idea of law? (Besides leave, which I recommend for anyone who possibly can, though I realize many cannot.)

If he doesn't implode under the weight of his own idiotic incompetence, Trump is shaping up to be an Out Of Context Problem for the United States - and those very seldom end well.

[Deleted]

Most of Europe is acutely aware of how dangerous Fascism is. It pretty much destroyed a continent, and wiped out a generation. This is why European countries have checks on Freedom of Speech, where it stops when calling for the oppression of others' Freedom of Expression begins.

Hate speech laws in Europe are nothing but tools to use for punishing "political blasphemy" by the political elite.

[Mormolyce]

I'm a white male sorta-libertarian, what if I punch Nazis? Are we cool then?

Nazi = National Socialist German Worker`s Part, meaning it`s socialist...

F on your history exam. See me after class.

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I don't understand...

One person who isn't even noteworthy makes a stupid tweet, so someone writes a pointless whine about it, but now Breitbart and a lot of others are treating it as if the left all got together and agreed that this random would be their voice for this topic on twitter?

Ok?...

It's lucky for them that their side never says anything horrible on twi...

Oh.

[Vilendor]

I wouldn't have a problem with punching real nazis in the face IF the people on the left wouldn't call EVERYONE a nazi who has slightly different political views than they have.

[Jessicka]

Hate speech laws in Europe are nothing but tools to use for punishing "political blasphemy" by the political elite.

Nope, there are other recognised freedoms, not just speech. Speech isn't even the most important. Freedom of speech ends where you start to talking about ending those other freedoms for others.

[Stelio Kontos]

Americans punch Nazis around for 3+ years: "Punching nazis is as American as apple pie!"

Americans punch Communists around for 44 years: "You're a monster for assaulting this man for his political ideas!"

If 3 years is as American as apple pie, what does that make 44 years?

As American as apple pie AND this:

[Bathory]

As others have said, yeah I'm pretty sure it has ALWAYS been ok to punch a nazi. When did it become not ok? That was literally America's pastime right behind baseball.

[Stego-Christ]

its always okay to punch nazis. im a jew im an expert on this

I thought they were the experts on punching you.

[Hiricine]

When you get to punch people simply because of a label, it makes it very easy to silence other views with violence. Did the Nazi punch someone? Did the Nazi call for violent acts against someone? Are you calling them a Nazi because they identify as one, or are you simply using the label as an excuse for your actions?

Also what is the purpose of the violence that you're using? If you're punishing them, what happened to that person's due process? If you're defending yourself, what happens when they defend themselves from your attack? Surely if you're punching them, they can punch you back. Is the strength of your argument simply that you think you're stronger than them, or are you simply counting on the hope that they aren't as violent as you are?

Finally, whats stopping them from calling YOU a Nazi and punching you? Its really an entirely subjective concept because as soon as you can label someone as an excuse to inflict violence upon them, the reverse will always be possible, if not likely.

[Sorrior]

On another note, NAZIs love free speech. As an exclusive thing to themselves.

Please read about what a Nazi is and don`t continue to spread wrong information. Nazi`s burned books and controlled all media in Germany, newspapers, radio and movies/TV. THEY DID NOT ALLOW AND OR BELIEVE IN FREE SPEECH. They wanted no political opposition and killed those who spoke against them.

It is vital to the US the free flow of ideas is not impeded by violence or ignorance. Discord and discussion are what is needed now, tempered with an inward looking eye.[/QUOTE]

Problem is BOTH the right and left are reaching/have reached the point of fascism in the US and are trying to shut down any other form of thought which is imo atheist a horrible thing

[Deleted]

If Captain Amerika can punch old hitler then we can punch his followers....

on a serious note

Those that are working towards taking away other peoples right don't deserve those rights themselves.

So you're saying BLM and black bloc don't deserve these rights, correct?

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What do you mean 'Now' it is okay to punch Nazis? It's always been okay to punch a Nazi. Don't want to get punched? Don't be a Nazi.

White Supremecy is the dumbest shit on the planet, you happened to be born white so you think that makes you better than others but had you been born black you would of thought that made you better than everyone else. People always build pillars of social worth and always place themselves on the highest pillar of value.

Since you're agreeing that it's the same shit, why is black supremacy not as bad as white supremacy? Thinking your skin color rather than the content of your character makes you better than anyone else is retarded, regardless of how much or little melanin you have.

[ati87]

So you're saying BLM and black bloc don't deserve these rights, correct?

Good thing that BLM is a twitter hastag...

Also good thing that the majority of the protesters don't have the right to shoot white people

[dwarven]

This mounting evidence that liberals don't want free speech is very concerning.