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    Trump Planning to Mobilize the National Guard to Arrest Illegal Immigrants

    And the shit sandwich gets worse......

    https://apnews.com/5508111d59554a33b...&utm_medium=AP

    The Trump administration is considering a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border, according to a draft memo obtained by The Associated Press.

    The 11-page document calls for the unprecedented militarization of immigration enforcement as far north as Portland, Oregon, and as far east as New Orleans, Louisiana.

    Four states that border on Mexico are included in the proposal — California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas — but it also encompasses seven states contiguous to those four — Oregon, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana.

    White House spokesman Sean Spicer said the AP report was "100 percent not true" and "irresponsible." ''There is no effort at all to utilize the National Guard to round up unauthorized immigrants," he said.

    Governors in the 11 states would have a choice whether to have their guard troops participate, according to the memo, written by U.S. Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, a retired four-star Marine general.

    While National Guard personnel have been used to assist with immigration-related missions on the U.S.-Mexico border before, they have never been used as broadly or as far north.

    The memo is addressed to the then-acting heads of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and U.S. Customs and Border Protection. It would serve as guidance to implement the wide-ranging executive order on immigration and border security that President Donald Trump signed Jan. 25. Such memos are routinely issued to supplement executive orders.

    Also dated Jan. 25, the draft memo says participating troops would be authorized "to perform the functions of an immigration officer in relation to the investigation, apprehension and detention of aliens in the United States." It describes how the troops would be activated under a revived state-federal partnership program, and states that personnel would be authorized to conduct searches and identify and arrest any unauthorized immigrants.

    Requests to the White House and the Department of Homeland Security for comment and a status report on the proposal were not answered.

    The draft document has circulated among DHS staff over the last two weeks. As recently as Friday, staffers in several different offices reported discussions were underway.
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    The memo has now been released/leaked. You can read it here -
    https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/cho...ement....0.pdf
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    Posse comitatus will pretty much nullify this one about six seconds after it's signed.

    But yeah, literally militarizing the police to nullify the populace is right out of the Fascist play book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    And the shit sandwich gets worse......
    Except enforcing our borders and laws is a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Except enforcing our borders and laws is a good thing.
    And doing it illegally is what? Or do you even understand the issues?

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    God emperor doing God's work. MAGA

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    And doing it illegally is what? Or do you even understand the issues?
    What could possibly go wrong when SS squads go rounding people up
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Posse comitatus will pretty much nullify this one about six seconds after it's signed.

    But yeah, literally militarizing the police to nullify the populace is right out of the Fascist play book.
    Because illegal immigrants are rightful citizens of the country.
    And enforcing law and border security is fascistic.

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    1) The National Guard is not under the president's control unless he federalizes their units.
    2) Once they are federalized, federal law applies and they are prohibited from engaging in most law enforcement activities by the Posse Comitatus Act.

    The governors could, theoretically, order their respective state Guards to do this if they were so inclined, despite the fact that every time they do so the Guard makes it clear that they don't want to be there. (See for example: Ferguson.) I have a very hard time believing many governors would bother though.

    Still, it's fun that Trump is trying to validate every concern anybody had about him so quickly in his presidency.
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    how do we know this isnt fake or w.e i mean seriously
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Except enforcing our borders and laws is a good thing.
    f**k me.....

    You think sending the military into our cities, towns, and communities on patrols and raids (which is what they will have to do) is a good thing? This is what you see in military dictatorships.

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    how do we know this isnt fake or w.e i mean seriously
    Read the original article. It discusses the document in detail including the wording of parts of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulslaver View Post
    Because illegal immigrants are rightful citizens of the country.
    And enforcing law and border security is fascistic.
    When it's done illegally, it certainly is. Do you even understand the horrific implications of using out military to enforce domestic laws? If you don't know what Posse Comitatus means, look it the fuck up, before you say anything dumber.

    Or ask, but you Trumpers eschew new information - so that's out.

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    Illegal Immigrants have no right to be in your country. If police force is too small to deal with the mexicans you need the military.

    No one whines about deploying the military in case of natural disasters but enforcing law is somehow bad if done by military? Meh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulslaver View Post
    Because illegal immigrants are rightful citizens of the country.
    And enforcing law and border security is fascistic.
    Exactly, sending the armed military onto the streets on patrols round ups and raids is fascistic. Its exactly what you see in military dictatorships and is 100% fascism, only in such places do you see the military used as a police force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonely zergling View Post
    Illegal Immigrants have no right to be in your country. If police force is too small to deal with the mexicans you need the military.
    Good thing you aren't the one to decide such a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linadra View Post
    What could possibly go wrong when SS squads go rounding people up
    Lol, exactly. People aren't even considering the enormous problems when things don't go off the rails in a "round up" (yee-haw!) and we have military personnel literally killing american citizens.

    But not to worry - again, Posse Comitatus will nip this in the bud. And every Federal Circuit Appellate Court will vote unanimously on this little gem.

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    Will they get a fancy outfit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Good thing you aren't the one to decide such a thing.
    No worries you got Trump to decide such things now because the people voted for him .

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonely zergling View Post
    No worries you got Trump to decide such things now because the people voted for him .
    Nope, we still have three equal branches of government. Trump's not managed to cry and whine the judiciary out of existence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonely zergling View Post
    No worries you got Trump to decide such things now because the people voted for him .
    Via electoral College. 3 million more ppl voted for the other candidate sooo y eah don't even start.
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    "Draft Memo" like the one about LGBT rights that hasn't even made it to the president's desk?

    How about we wait instead of jumping on anything and take it out of context?
    Google Diversity Memo
    Learn to use critical thinking: https://youtu.be/J5A5o9I7rnA

    Political left, right similarly motivated to avoid rival views
    [...] we have an intolerance for ideas and evidence that don’t fit a certain ideology. I’m also not saying that we should restrict people to certain gender roles; I’m advocating for quite the opposite: treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group (tribalism)..

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