‘Our land’: Russia tells US that Crimea won’t be ‘given back’ to Ukraine

[Rafoel]

Your "we can simply destroy economy" is delusion. You simply cannot. Not without destroying EU in the process, and even then it's debatable.

We would simply need to remove Russia from SWIFT:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societ...ecommunication

Then all russian banks go down, russians cant buy anything online, use credit cards, order things from abroad, they basically become completely isolated from world's financial system.

The West didn't bring down russian economy because destroying countries is, as amazing is sounds to you, something the West doesn't enjoy. They prefer diplomacy over everything else, and have tradition of sticking to it for ever too long, when other measures would be more appropriate.

[Shalcker]

Haha cute how eagerly you defend your truth about "we". well I got better things to do to wordfight you but srsly. I wouldn't count on china jumping "your" (you are not the russian people in general btw.) boat and it will be east vs. west in the end. China is not stupid, do you think they let an idiot like Trump decide if they have good or bad relations to the west? they don't give a shit about his provocations. The west is China's #1 customer not Russia. Obviosuly China would stay neutral as it is a) their confuzian philosophy and b) in their very own econimal interest.

We're ahead of Saudis as Chinese top oil source though.

And "staying neutral" is perfectly fine. If EU would "stay neutral" on Ukraine rather then push their own disastrous solution, we would be satisfied too.

If EU would value economic interests above all else it wouldn't impose sanctions on Russia, as they made no economic sense. It did, so no reason to think Chinese will value economy above everything else - especially with Trump blackmailing them over it...

See good Sir, problem with Russia is your just not contributing in a positive manner to the world. therefore you're not liked. but you aren't even feared. You are just annoying and *faceplam* with your "respect us finally ffs!" complex. You're like the bully in school nobody likes but he's always around and bothers people, poking them in the ribs and then laughs stupidly that he had some "effect". I suggest you just develop yourself. Stop massacring, stop tricking/lying/cheating/faking. start contributing with more than tools to kill people and energy that pollutes the planet. start create something progressive. impressive. make people not needing vodka to stand their lifes.

Which is exactly what we were doing until you went and deposed government in Ukraine... Developing our own Custom's Union economic space. Peacefully! We even outbid you on supporting Ukraine without using any force, offering them 15 billion $ loan!

Why did you have to go and support violent revolution?

And we learned faking from you - remember your coverage of 2008 Georgian war?

And get your minority complex fixed. if you want respect earn it, not force it.

We don't need your respect at the price you're making, you value it well above real cost (and it drops in value every day too).

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We would simply need to remove Russia from SWIFT:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societ...ecommunication

That shit was already dealt with and backup systems were tested and ready in freaking 2015... You'll be shooting your own foot again.

Then all russian banks go down, russians cant buy anything online, use credit cards, order things from abroad, they basically become completely isolated from world's financial system.

Except not. And we export more then we import, so you'll be the ones isolating yourself as you will be unable to pay for Russian gas and oil.

The West didn't bring down russian economy because destroying countries is, as amazing is sounds to you, something the West doesn't enjoy. They prefer diplomacy over everything else, and have tradition of sticking to it for ever too long, when other measures would be more appropriate.

You overestimate your power.

[unbound]

There is zero reason to 'give it back' since the people of Crimea voted to join Russia.

Not quite that simple.

As stated by all 28 EU Heads of State or Government on 6 March 2014, the European Union
considers the holding of the referendum on the future status of the territory of Ukraine as contrary
to the Ukrainian Constitution and international law. The referendum is illegal and illegitimate and
its outcome will not be recognised.

- http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedoc.../ec/141566.pdf

Furthermore...http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrode.../#70d56e8e10ff

As you may recall, the official Crimean election results, as reported widely in the Western press, showed a 97 percent vote in favor of annexation with a turnout of 83 percent. No international observers were allowed. The pro-Russia election pressure would have raised the already weak vote in favor of annexation, of course.

Yesterday, however, according to a major Ukrainian news site, TSN.ua, the website of the President of Russia’s Council on Civil Society and Human Rights (shortened to President’s Human Rights Council) posted a report that was quickly taken down as if it were toxic radioactive waste. According to this purported report about the March referendum to annex Crimea, the turnout of Crimean voters was only 30 percent. And of these, only half voted for the referendum–meaning only 15 percent of Crimean citizens voted for annexation.

So definitely more than a few questions about that vote...

[Kellhound]

We're ahead of Saudis as Chinese top oil source though.

And "staying neutral" is perfectly fine. If EU would "stay neutral" on Ukraine rather then push their own disastrous solution, we would be satisfied too.

If EU would value economic interests above all else it wouldn't impose sanctions on Russia, as they made no economic sense. It did, so no reason to think Chinese will value economy above everything else - especially with Trump blackmailing them over it...

Which is exactly what we were doing until you went and deposed government in Ukraine... Developing our own Custom's Union economic space. Peacefully! We even outbid you on supporting them without using any force!

Why did you have to go and support violent revolution?

And we learned faking from you - remember your coverage of 2008 Georgian war?

We don't need your respect at the price you're making, you value it well above real cost (and it drops in value every day too).

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That shit was already dealt with and backup systems were tested and ready in freaking 2015... You'll be shooting your own foot again.

Except not. And we export more then we import, so you'll be the ones isolating yourself as you will be unable to pay for Russian gas and oil.

You overestimate your power.

The only reason Russia has any exports of note it hydrocarbons, that makes Russia the frozen equivalent of the Middle East in the world's economy. I wouldn't be so proud of that.

[Shalcker]

The only reason Russia has any exports of note it hydrocarbons, that makes Russia the frozen equivalent of the Middle East in the world's economy. I wouldn't be so proud of that.

So what? We have our niche on world market that is sufficient to buy anything we might need, and we produce the rest of high-tech stuff for our own consumption.

If suddenly global markets will crash we'll sigh and do everything ourselves. Yeah, some stuff will be lost, no big deal.

[Kellhound]

So what? We have our niche on world market that is sufficient to buy anything we might need, and we produce the rest of high-tech stuff for our own consumption.

If suddenly global markets will crash we'll sigh and do everything ourselves. Yeah, some stuff will be lost, no big deal.

The Russian economy, even using PPP, is in the lower half per capita in the developed world. In short, you are a massively under performing economic joke on the developed world stage.

[Shalcker]

The Russian economy, even using PPP, is in the lower half per capita in the developed world. In short, you are a massively under performing economic joke on the developed world stage.

Debt-fueled growth that will eventually come crashing down.

Let's meet in the middle :P

[Kellhound]

Debt-fueled growth that will eventually come crashing down.

Let's meet in the middle :P

Hardly. Even a crash would keep the top performers well above Russia (especially since a crash would devastate Russia's only viable money makers). I'm sorry, but no matter how you try to coach it, Russia's economy is an underperforming joke.

[Shalcker]

Hardly. Even a crash would keep the top performers well above Russia (especially since a crash would devastate Russia's only viable money makers). I'm sorry, but no matter how you try to coach it, Russia's economy is an underperforming joke.

We're aiming for sustainable growth rather then boom-bust bubble cycles.

We'll get there eventually. No rush.

[Romarii]

We're aiming for sustainable growth rather then boom-bust bubble cycles.
F
We'll get there eventually. No rush.

Russia literally makes nothing that anyone on the world stage wants to buy. America has Intel, Apple, Microsoft, Google, Vmware. Literally every single leading tech industry is in the US.

[Kellhound]

We're aiming for sustainable growth rather then boom-bust bubble cycles.

We'll get there eventually. No rush.

You have achieved a MASSIVE boom-bust low-end economy.

[Deleted]

Nothing will happen. Crimea will stay in Russia, western politicians will huff and puff and eventually stop whining. They have no power to make anything happen, the only thing they can do is talk, which is all those politicians ever do. They won't start war over small peninsula. Only delusional basement dwelling shitposters think otherwise.

Russia literally makes nothing that anyone on the world stage wants to buy. America has Intel, Apple, Microsoft, Google, Vmware. Literally every single leading tech industry is in the US.

Newsflash: all of their hardware is made in China. Software is made anywhere in the world.

There is not much American in those companies, except headquarters and business people, which can easily move anywhere in the world.

[NED funded]

Nothing will happen. Crimea will stay in Russia, western politicians will huff and puff and eventually stop whining. They have no power to make anything happen, the only thing they can do is talk, which is all those politicians ever do. They won't start war over small peninsula. Only delusional basement dwelling shitposters think otherwise.


Newsflash: all of their hardware is made in China. Software is made anywhere in the world.

There is not much American in those companies, except headquarters and business people, which can easily move anywhere in the world.

You need human capital for that, Russia does not have this. And with the coming of automation manufacturing is unlikely to move to developing nations. Russia atm is at the level of South America, except South American countries are not that dependant of their natural resources.

[Deleted]

Well, don't trust us. We don't trust you either anymore.

If you want something make sure you can enforce it somehow and you're willing to commit sufficient resources to it (like we did with Crimea), or don't whine about it.

I will remember this "don't whine about it" if you complain about somthing. But your attitude is self destructive now you are cursed to spend a large pile of money on the military to retain the status quo, maybe you are to deep into the constant suffering and hardship that you take it for given but suffering and hardship do not need to be the norm.

[Deleted]

You need human capital for that, Russia does not have this. And with the coming of automation manufacturing is unlikely to move to developing nations. Russia atm is at the level of South America, except South American countries are not that dependant of their natural resources.

I'm not saying those companies will move to Russia. That would be stupid.

I'm saying that there is nothing American about those companies, so poster above me is wrong using those examples as something American. All hardware is made in China, all software is international effort.

[Damajin]

Not quite that simple.



Furthermore...http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrode.../#70d56e8e10ff



So definitely more than a few questions about that vote...

It really is that simple. Your Forbes article is blatantly pro West, as is all their articles so really there's little to no questions about that vote or about the longstanding intent to rejoin Russia, which of course brought out the US backed coup with Poroshenko taking over for the pro Russian guy before him.

Poroshenko went from selling out chocolate to selling out his people and homeland, along with the neonazi groups that suddenly had quite the military arsenal out of nowhere, thank blackbaggers for that.

Since Western capitalists wanted to buy up all that prime farmland at bargain bin prices the only way they could do that was with a guy like Poroshenko who'd take his cut and sign off on whatever.

But hey, can't expect MMOC to know or be interested in this shit now can we.

[Shalcker]

Russia literally makes nothing that anyone on the world stage wants to buy. America has Intel, Apple, Microsoft, Google, Vmware. Literally every single leading tech industry is in the US.

And we have lots of #2

Good enough for us. Why worry what you can do for others ahead of what you can do for yourself?

In fact, we're literally world #1 on nuclear energy; US seems to be losing that expertise rapidly.

Which is what will actually matter once wind and solar fad passes through.

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I will remember this "don't whine about it" if you complain about somthing. But your attitude is self destructive now you are cursed to spend a large pile of money on the military to retain the status quo, maybe you are to deep into the constant suffering and hardship that you take it for given but suffering and hardship do not need to be the norm.

Economy will pick up; they did shift that major procurement to 2020 exactly to prevent "constant suffering and hardship" after all.

And it will be sustainable because we cannot afford anything else :P

If you think we're going to drive ourselves bankrupt trying to one-up US you're delusional. There are enough asymmetric responses.

[Deleted]

Which is what will actually matter once wind and solar fad passes through.

Dream on, Russia have totaly failed to catch the renewable energy trend, and nothing indicates that it will end then more countries are trying to change to renewable energy.

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Economy will pick up; they did shift that major procurement to 2020 exactly to prevent "constant suffering and hardship" after all.

I gess hope is the last thing that abandon you....so why the need to suffer additional 3 year?

[Shalcker]

Dream on, Russia have totaly failed to catch the renewable energy trend, and nothing indicates that it will end then more countries are trying to change to renewable energy.

We had those who jumped on that bandwagon too; like European producers they didn't do so well. Obviously Chinese with their state subsidies make stuff cheaper.

And Nuclear is as renewable as it gets - once closed nuclear cycle research is complete (somewhere mid-century) we'll have enough uranium to last several thousand years.

And then you can kiss our petroleum goodbye.

I gess hope is the last thing that abandon you....so why the need to suffer additional 3 year?

All forecasts say "modest growth in 2017" (except those who always say "doom and gloom awaits Russia!").

Don't really care, my stock investments are going great already.

[Skroe]