Admit it: Trump is unfit to serve

[Cthulhu 2020]

Just as well. I have to admit, I'm a little sad you piped up with "that's not real racism" and then backed down when confronted with logic because I was really interested in what your definition was.

By the way, anyone have the number of minutes between
A) Trump claiming he was the least racist person ever, and
B) Trump asking a black reporter, to set up a meeting with Trump and the CBC, despite her reminding him she was just a reporter?

Was it thirty minutes? Ten?

"Not real racism" is approximately the same thing as when they were calling anyone who didn't vote for Trump "Not a real American".

It doesn't actually mean anything, and when confronted with logic they just realize that they're projecting their own opinion as if it was fact.

So after 41 pages, has anyone in this thread actually said "Yeah, I thought Trump would be good, but after a month I've realized he's really really really terrible"?

I'm guessing not, because he's doing every single one of us with two firing brain cells knew he would do. He's just as terrible as we knew he would be. Those who supported him despite him being an incredibly obvious terrible human being did so in the face of overwhelming evidence, so I seriously doubt anyone who wanted to "wait and see" will be convinced he's bad despite anything he does. He could launch a bunch of nukes against Europe tomorrow and they'd just look for some kind of justification and start vomiting that up.

[Breccia]

It doesn't actually mean anything, and when confronted with logic they just realize that they're projecting their own opinion as if it was fact.

Well yes, it's also a No True Scotsman fallacy. Except that racism does have an actual meaning, and discrimination based on race -- to the point of being sued by the federal government, and losing, twice -- fits that meaning exactly.
@mage21 at least had the right idea by denying only a single case, rather than trying a blanket statement.

[Nasuem]

honestly when non americans feel sorry you voted for an idiot, you should know something smells bad.

I dont give a shit about who the US voted for and I dont give a crap about Trump. He is the next 4 or 5 years entertainment. As long as he does not fuck with the rest of world, keep that president and you can come up with whatever comical excuse as to why he is fit. In the meantime I have my popcorn and I am laughing my socks off at the sheer stupidity of the man you elected.

Why the fuck should we care what non-American's think? Who is knocking it out of the park exactly? China? Germany? France? Sweden? Mexico? Iran? Russia? The UK? Those who live in glass houses.

The only thing common about all those countries is everyone there, wants to be here. You obviously do give a fuck who we voted for otherwise you wouldn't be crying about it on here. Enjoy your laughter, well enjoy leaders who aren't afraid to address issues people actually care about.

[Vallcorr]

Well yes, it's also a No True Scotsman fallacy. Except that racism does have an actual meaning, and discrimination based on race -- to the point of being sued by the federal government, and losing, twice -- fits that meaning exactly.
@mage21 at least had the right idea by denying only a single case, rather than trying a blanket statement.

You are a snowflake.

[Adam Jensen]

Wasn't it obvious 1.5 years ago?

It was obvious 4 years ago when he went after Obama's birth certificate, and the first time he ran in 2012.

[Templar 331]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...hNB?li=BBnb7Kz

Even Fox New's Shepard Smith is criticizing Trump over his bullshit.

I never thought I'd see the day. XD

[psyquest]

Why the fuck should we care what non-American's think? Who is knocking it out of the park exactly? China? Germany? France? Sweden? Mexico? Iran? Russia? The UK? Those who live in glass houses.

The only thing common about all those countries is everyone there, wants to be here. You obviously do give a fuck who we voted for otherwise you wouldn't be crying about it on here. Enjoy your laughter, well enjoy leaders who aren't afraid to address issues people actually care about.

I dont know anyone that wishes to be in the US (I am a brit living in Paris). We dont care who you voted for but know that your president is a laughing stock everywhere in the world :-)

You think El Trump care about the issues people care about... issues that are due to bad management by the US administration of their ressources and labor?

Ok I ll go for that, but will you have the courage in a few years time to admit that you were wrong? That is the true test of a democracy. We get liars that promise stuff and dont deliver but then we must not fall for the lies of the next one.


In any case, I wish you good luck with your president. Really and sincerely, good luck.

I think these two videos should be of use to many US voters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nccryZOcrUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-0jbIC4yig

[Breccia]

You are a snowflake.

Okay I'll be honest, I have no idea where this came from. How, exactly, does pointing out "discrimination based on race is real racism" make me a snowflake? It's practically the definition of the word. That's not unique, that's the opposite of unique.

[LaserSharkDFB]

Interesting read here, from a guy who ran international disaster response under Obama, including the Ebola crisis. Pretty long chain of tweets, but basically Trump is shitting up everything that we use to handle disease outbreaks.

https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/s...16259598610432

This is not a partisan issue. Trump has no fucking idea how the government works, and is either ruining things directly or letting his inner circle do it for him by proxy.

[Trassk]

[PosPosPos]

Oh, I am aware of that. I know who Trump is. But people around here tell me that, because I am a white male, half the country hates me and thinks I am racist and sexist by default... I just wish I met, at least, one of those people in my entire life. Hard to live, knowing that I am so oppressed, yet my oppressors are hiding in the barns or something.

Instead of ignoring outliers and focusing on actual issues, you are going to swing on the other extreme end yourself?

Just take a look at yourself and how ridiculous you are.

[May90]

You are, without a doubt, one of the few people here on MMO-C who have shown a willingness to have an honest discussion, and I applaud you for that. With that being said: If we are, in fact, the people conducting the "job interview" then we must (first and foremost) admit to ourselves that this was the worst selection of résumés ever seen.

Starting from the top; we had Bernie Sanders who, for all his faults, was trying to win the hearts and minds of the people. Unfortunately once the primaries came closer, Bernie was betrayed by his own people through the DNC. What's worse is that he went on to endorse the very people who betrayed him once he lost!

Moving forward we have: Hillary Clinton. To discredit HRC all you have to do is spend twenty minutes browsing through http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/

This is a woman who openly participated in unethically colluding with the DNC against Bernie Sanders, a woman who stole hundreds of millions of dollars in charity, a woman who openly accepted campaign funds from countries that she knew supported ISIS.

Then we have Donald Trump, a "reality TV celebrity" who was caught on audio saying "grab her by the pussy".

And so when you're presented with all these "choices" it's actually quite tough to make an educated decision. It feels less like a "job interview" and more like a "let's get this the fuck over with" sort of event.

There are two "buts", however. One "but" is the fact that both Hillary and Bernie, with all their flaws, have had a tremendous amount of experience in the field. Another is that both Hillary and, to a bit lesser extent, Bernie talk like very intelligent, well educated, professional adults, able to articulate their complex thoughts in a coherent manner; Trump can't say two words without sounding like a mentally challenged middle school kid, and he keeps bragging about his wealth and lashing at everyone who dares criticize him for anything.

While it is true that the choices this time around weren't exactly stellar, there is no doubt that Trump was the worst candidate among both all Democrat and all Republican primaries contestants, plus all the independent and 3rd party runners. He was literally the only one among all who isn't able to act like a responsible adult. There is no point somehow justifying him winning the election, we just have to admit that Americans have made a dumb choice.

You underestimate these people. I despise the far left with their intolerant tolerance and "good" hate. But the far right is something completely different. The people that dwell there is the stuff of nightmares. Right now in Sweden one of the bigger news are the insane suicide rates among refugee kids and youths who came here on their own, most of them having lost their entire families in Syria or Afghanistan. While people are discussing how to help these kids, I just read a 20 page thread on a regular forum filled with hundreds of right wingers literally celebrating the suicides of these children. They are cheering on and wishing for the deaths of kids. This kind of people only exist on the far right, no matter how despicably people on the far left can behave.

There are some crazied communists on the far left that justify Stalin's repressions and such - I wouldn't say it is much better than what these folks are saying. Every part of the spectrum has rotten fruits, it's just that the neo-nazis got a huge boost recently due to the world events.

[Deleted]

Trump is fit to serve. Except he had Daddy get him out of the draft.

[Skroe]

Trump is fit to serve. Except he had Daddy get him out of the draft.

I think it's remarkable that Trump is likely the last Baby Boomer President (and 2016 was almost certainly the last year two baby boomers run), and not one of them actually served in Vietnam.

Fitting capstone for a miserable, egocentric generation that has spent the past 25 years systematically looting and plundering what their parents had built. The Greatest Generation (and their parents) built the Post-1945 American led world order. It's really not all that surprising that their children end their run in power by having Trump be the man attempting to dynamite it.

Fuck even, the highly abstract, philosophical world view of Steve Bannon is straight out of the 1960s in a sense.

[Deleted]

The only thing common about all those countries is everyone there, wants to be here.

See, if you would know anything about the world, you'd know you're just making fun of yourself.

[Felya]

Okay I'll be honest, I have no idea where this came from. How, exactly, does pointing out "discrimination based on race is real racism" make me a snowflake? It's practically the definition of the word. That's not unique, that's the opposite of unique.

It's one of those pejorative terms that doesn't actually mean anything at this point. When objectivist call others "snowflakes", the unique nature of an individual in objectivism is meaningless.

[Fahrenheit]

I mean, anyone that was paying attention should have come to this realization a year ago. After just one month in office I don't see how any sane human can think he and his band of deplorables could be construed in anyway as 'good' for the country.

Well maybe, just maybe he could be construed as having a positive impact if in the long run his horror show of a Presidency ignites the consistent interest of more of the population in politics, both local and national.

[alexw]

I think it's remarkable that Trump is likely the last Baby Boomer President (and 2016 was almost certainly the last year two baby boomers run), and not one of them actually served in Vietnam.

Fitting capstone for a miserable, egocentric generation that has spent the past 25 years systematically looting and plundering what their parents had built. The Greatest Generation (and their parents) built the Post-1945 American led world order. It's really not all that surprising that their children end their run in power by having Trump be the man attempting to dynamite it.

Fuck even, the highly abstract, philosophical world view of Steve Bannon is straight out of the 1960s in a sense.

You are not wrong. I don't think the fact that all this political turbulence (Trump, bre-exit, etc) is occurring just as boomers start hitting the graveyard is a coincidence. As the most selfish and narcissistic generation this world has ever seen, they were never going to go in any way other than kicking and screaming at full tilt. In truth power should have been fully handed over to their children a decade ago, but their selfishness and narcissism would not let them do that. So now we will have to pry their cold dead hands off the tiller before they do even more damage.

History will not remember them kindly.

[Shadowferal]

Hmm...John McCain gave a nice speech that highlit most of the negatives of Trump's bitchfest so far.

[paralleluniverse]

Yeah, just like the polls showed he was going to lose the election. lol!

The polls show he was going to lose the popular vote by 4 points and he lost by 2. That 2 point error is more accurate than the 3 point error in the 2012 polling (Obama +1 predicted, Obama +4 actual). So, no, polling in general isn't wrong, dummy.