Soda sales down 50%

[Gemini Soul]

I can see the need for such a tax, but not with such a high rate. 1.5 cents per ounce is just way to much.

Isn't this tax higher than both Alcohol and Tobacco?

[TITAN308]

Nah because it's not unilaterally destructive, unlike drinking soda, which has flat-out superior alternatives. You gain essentially nothing from drinking a can of soda

Congrats, you just described 90% of what people eat and drink. You could literally swap out "soda" for any other number of other food items. Hell even milk and bread now a days is processed with a ton of sugar.

[Deleted]

The funny part is everyone is assuming people who drink sodas are going through a case of them a day. As I said, very short sighted on multiple people here.

Then the tax won't really affect somebody buying a can once a week whereas somebody who buys ten a week will ergo the tax punishes the unhealthy

[Underverse]

The funny part is everyone is assuming people who drink sodas are going through a case of them a day. As I said, very short sighted on multiple people here.

No, people aren't making that assumption. I do know of people in my life for whom that is true. But most of the judgements in this thread do not rely on that assumption.

For those who drink it once in a while as a treat, the tax will affect them to a much smaller degree.

[Torgent]

"Titan posted an item for discussion, better brush off the old "he is triggered" routine. lmao

Is this about to turn into a similar topic as when you said you're not right wing? Just because you say you're not something, doesn't mean you aren't that thing. You're clearly upset because you don't understand the economics behind this and the health benefits. You only see "Price up on soda" and you get upset.

[TITAN308]

I can see the need for such a tax, but not with such a high rate. 1.5 cents per ounce is just way to much.

Isn't this tax higher than both Alcohol and Tobacco?

That is what I said. I'm not oppose to a tax, but the rate is absurd.

[Deleted]

Congrats, you just described 90% of what people eat and drink. You could literally swap out "soda" for any other number of other food items. Hell even milk and bread now a days is processed with a ton of sugar.

Perhaps that's something America should look into

[TITAN308]

Is this about to turn into a similar topic as when you said you're not right wing? Just because you say you're not something, doesn't mean you aren't that thing. You're clearly upset because you don't understand the economics behind this and the health benefits. You only see "Price up on soda" and you get upset.

Slow down. Critical thinking. I don't live in this city.

If you can't have a discussion for the sake of discussion, don't post. That is the great irony of what you think is a clever jab.

[Mad_Murdock]

Sounds like less people are drinking syrupy sweet sodas...

How is this a bad thing?

Well, if you like having someone else tell you what to eat or drink by adjusting the prices based on what is deemed good or bad, then I guess it's a great thing. Next we'll need to tax anything labeled bad for you, to where basically we're all vegans because that's the most healthy choice and we can't afford to eat anything else.

As someone who spends the effort in keeping myself in good health, it is mildly annoying that if I did want a soda, I would now look at paying double. If they applied the same to all fast food to include ice cream shops, now everything costs me double, just because other people couldn't control themselves.

Maybe it's just a necessary evil, But I tend not to be a fan of punishing everyone because some misbehave.

trump is literally hitler

edit- shit my bad , i seen we were in general off topic and just assumed

That was good for a hearty chuckle. Though sadly, by page 5 or 6, I'm sure that's where we will be anyways.

[Torgent]

Slow down. Critical thinking. I don't live in this city.

If you can't have a discussion for the sake of discussion, don't post. That is the great irony of what you think is a clever jab.

I have had a discussion. I stated why it's good. You've not stated why it's bad other than some made up shit about lost jobs that haven't happened.

Also, I never said you lived in this city...

[Sykol]

Sorry, I don't know about Spectral but I have limited sympathy for those who work in industries that are actively destructive to humanity. If your dinner comes at the cost of a child's lungs in Ghana, I'm not sure I can justify that expense.

Everything we do comes at a cost for someone else. We all work for a place that ends up hurting people, and we all do something that ends up hurting people. Unless you live entirely off the grid and have rigged up your own internet connection using dew from morning leaves, and harness the power of love to light your home, you're in the same boat. Not everyone has the privilege of picking and choosing where they work.

[Azadina]

Congrats, you just described 90% of what people eat and drink. You could literally swap out "soda" for any other number of other food items. Hell even milk and bread now a days is processed with a ton of sugar.

As far as calories go, soda and milk are equal from what I've seen. Soda has it from sugar only, while milk has 50/50 split between sugar and fat.

[Underverse]

It's pretty much what all retail will move towards to save costs. A program that lets you walk in to a store, pick anything you want off the shelves, and it automatically charges you when you leave, eliminating cashiers and bag boys almost entirely. The self-checkouts tried to do that with little success in Canada, but this will probably wind up being the started in the next decade or so. Then you're looking at masses upon masses of either unskilled workers, or semi-skilled workers that had to take a job beneath them to survive, on welfare or trying to compete for jobs that are already filled because this will leave a huge vacuum in the working class.

Automation is inevitable and the way of the future. Companies will always do what they can to save costs. As with previous industries that have risen and fallen in the past, people need to adapt. That's the motif of life.

And it has nothing to do with a job economy being good or bad. Skilled labor is in high demand. There are a large number of economic indicators that would suggest that the economy is doing great. It's tough for unskilled laborers, but unskilled labor was never suggested to be an easy life.

[TITAN308]

By all means shows the job losses then...

o wait...it hasn't happened.

It's not the short-sightedness you need to be worried about. It the blindness.

When I speak of short sighted I am not referring to job loss.

[alexw]

So, basically, this will lead to more job loss, and more competition in the already suffering job market? Sounds like a plan!

Your post is simpleton level economics and not how things work.

They won't be buying as much soda so they now have more money to spend on other things. The consumption of soda falls and the consumption of other things rises. Workers shift from producing soda to producing other goods. Ergo, net job loss = zero.

Moreover we get a (slightly) more healthy population which should increase the overall efficiency of the system.

[Underverse]

Congrats, you just described 90% of what people eat and drink. You could literally swap out "soda" for any other number of other food items. Hell even milk and bread now a days is processed with a ton of sugar.

The degree of difference is important. Milk and bread have other nutrients and thus have a much greater intrinsic value than soda; though I do agree that no one should be eating or drinking sweetened milk and bread.

Also, thanks for getting rid of the meat of my post. You realize it looks bad when you take one line from your opponent' argument, and selectively respond to that, right?

[TITAN308]

I have had a discussion. I stated why it's good. You've not stated why it's bad other than some made up shit about lost jobs that haven't happened.

Also, I never said you lived in this city...

When did I say anything about job loss? Citation please.

[Shadowferal]

When I speak of short sighted I am not referring to job loss.

Well, that was all that was mentioned so far...

Perhaps you should elaborate...

[Underverse]

Everything we do comes at a cost for someone else. We all work for a place that ends up hurting people, and we all do something that ends up hurting people. Unless you live entirely off the grid and have rigged up your own internet connection using dew from morning leaves, and harness the power of love to light your home, you're in the same boat. Not everyone has the privilege of picking and choosing where they work.

The net equation is important to look at. Sure, some industries might cause some damage, but many of them make up for it by providing valuable goods or information. The same is not true for, say, tobacco and soda industries.

[Torgent]

When did I say anything about job loss? Citation please.

You're right actually. You've just said literally 0 negatives about this. Because you have none and you're trying to find something to justify your bitching about a good tax that will both help the health of the nation and put tax money toward health benefits.

All of your posts are "That's short sighted" without offering anything at all. Stop spamming and contribute to the thread.