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I usually am a fan of your posts and I agree with many of your points. But I laughed out loud regarding #2 challenge modes were not the best thing ever to be added to the game. I agree you really enjoyed them and loved them. Most people didn't do them at all. They were pointless and Mythic+ is not much better. Think about what you said, you claimed Challenge Modes were the best thing that happened to WoW.
That is like saying Warlords of Draenor is the best WoW expansion. The only thing I remember about challenge dungeons (and I never met any people who liked them in MoP or otherwise). Was people selling runs for the Yeti Mount with non stop spam.
I agree mythic+ sucks but I don't get how you think challenge modes were better, they had no impact on 90% of people. They suffer from the same problem, rush through dungeons and face a Mario timer, over just making a very hard dungeon mode that is like extreme Dark Souls without a timer. I've always been a fan of skilled players getting the best gear over RNG smiling and dropping a Legendary for someone who plays an hour a week.
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Back in Vanilla, we were raiding BWL. The 40 man raid that was most a PUG outside of some guild raiders. I wanna say took about 6-7 hours to fill up. And then inbetween some pulls there were always people saying, "One sec son is crying," or "One sec dog needs out" there were always several people, and sometimes we had to wait an hour between a few boss pools.
Then trying to communicate with 40 people in voice chat was a nightmare.
I don't even remember really how long the raids themselves lasted but it was a long time. Felt like you were raiding all day and night long. Just to get a handful of hours sleep to do the same thing again. Only to get maybe half of bosses at best, and usually they weren't killed for many months.
Now guilds wonder what is wrong if they haven't cleared heroic or normal raids after a few weeks.
Now people can't wait 15-20 minutes. Attention spans really have shit the bed.
I don't think people would have lasted more than a month back in vanilla or bc.