Trump's attack on media as 'enemy of the people' is disgraceful and dangerous

[Deleted]

"It's not illegal because I don't like the law that makes it illegal"

Well okay that clears that right up then.

You don't get to just pick and choose which parts of laws are real and which parts aren't just because it helps push your agenda.

That is not what I said - i said the Logan act does not apply.

Nice spin, you should work for the MSM

[Elegiac]

Well, first off you have no proof that Obama or the State Department didn't "authorize" him. Regardless, he was the incoming NSA, he didn't need their authorization. If this was ever to be taken to court they would most likely rule in favor of Flynn.

And yet, despite your protestations that he was fully in the clear, Flynn still felt the need to lie about it.

[JohnBrown1917]

I'm genuinely interested in where the basis is coming from that the media, as a whole, is lying.
Aside from people just parroting each other that the mainstream media is straight-out-and-out lying about everything, I'm not really sure where you guys are getting this.
Yeah, some stories get posted without full vetting. It happens. Usually to Breitbart.
Generally though, most news sources attempt some form of due diligence when vetting information. The spin comes from us on the Internet repeating it endlessly with our own snark added to it, me thinks. At least, until this election cycle.

Breitbart is one of the good ones!!! Rest is fake!
SAD!

[Rucati]

That is not what I said - i said the Logan act does not apply.

Nice spin, you should work for the MSM

Actually it's exactly what you said. You said not to count applicable laws because you don't like them.

Truly, truly desperate. Wonder what it's like to live in an alternate reality like you do.

[Dadwen]

I think you are imaging things.

sure whatever....

[Deleted]

I think you are imaging things.

Pretty sure he is saying fox news is like Randolph Hearst, which is like calling a politician Hitler as far as comparison go visiavi news publishers.

[Deleted]

can't wait till he starts using the word democratic in names for stuff. that's prolly next. everybody knows if it has democratic in the name its legit.

[Deleted]

And yet, despite your protestations that he was fully in the clear, Flynn still felt the need to lie about it.

To trump, in a private conversation?
He didn't lie to his boss to cover his ass in the remote possibility that he would the first person ever to be charged under an obscure law, he lied because he said something that wasn't in line with trump's position on the issue.

[Dadwen]

Pretty sure he is saying fox news is like Randolph Hearst, which is like calling a politician Hitler as far as comparison go visiavi news publishers.

shhh don't bust their bubble....

[Elegiac]

To trump, in a private conversation?
He didn't lie to his boss to cover his ass in the remote possibility that he would the first person ever to be charged under an obscure law, he lied because he said something that wasn't in line with trump's position on the issue.

Oh so he -wasn't- authorised to negotiate as he did.

Get your story straight, Trumpets.

[alexw]

sure whatever helps you sleep at nite...

"Look, as president, I swore to uphold the Constitution, and part of that Constitution is a free press. We've got a tradition in this country of a press that oftentimes is opinionated. The golden age of an objective press was a pretty narrow span of time in our history. Before that, you had folks like Hearst who used their newspapers very intentionally to promote their viewpoints. I think Fox is part of that tradition — it is part of the tradition that has a very clear, undeniable point of view. It's a point of view that I disagree with. It's a point of view that I think is ultimately destructive for the long-term growth of a country that has a vibrant middle class and is competitive in the world."

sounds like he's saying the same thing just a bit more PC about it.

No, that is not the same thing at all. Obama is saying they are putting a "spin" on news, and he believes that the spin they are putting in place and propagating is harmful.

Note also that it is one comment in which he has done that.

Trump by contrast decries the media in general and has spent virtually all of the last month calling any and all stories written about his administration as fake news. Now he has declared the media as the enemy of the people.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two. If you think there is, then find me some posts pre-Trump on this site where people on the left have called anti-obama administration stories fake news. I'm sure if you are correct there will be plenty. So please provide just one or two examples of that to me.

[Dadwen]

No, that is not the same thing at all. Obama is saying they are putting a "spin" on news, and he believes that the spin they are putting in place and propagating is harmful.

Note also that it is one comment in which he has done that.

Trump by contrast decries the media in general and has spent virtually all of the last month calling any and all stories written about his administration as fake news. Now he has declared the media as the enemy of the people.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two. If you think there is, then find me some posts pre-Trump on this site where people have called anti-obama administration stories fake news. I'm sure if you are correct there will be plenty. So please provide just one or two examples of that to me.

the argument was he was attacking fox that's one quote from a list, dear god talk about spinning,.. again whatever helps you all sleep at nite... and ya it was just as bad as saying your news is fake if you had any clue about that comment.

[pinkz]

medias attack on trump is disgraceful and dangerous

obama ran a rather huge scale deportation program 2.4 + million 2009-2014...was only briefly highlighted by media...overall media was silent, obama deported more in 6 years than bush did in eight years. yet media sell the so-called soft-on-immigration Obama administration so if illegals ever get a chance to vote without any IDs, drivers license, voter IDs....they will vote demo

media helped sell obama (democrats) after he stopped deporting 2015 and 2016, as more illegal immigrant friendly...to help mostly hillary and hope the 2 year break would guide mostly hispanics to her side....media failed

during obama...we have a 16 yo kid in our town, who now has to go to a bordertown to visit his dad who was deported. the boys dad did assisting coach jobs in local high school, was a little league coach for years. he got into one verbal arguement, someone reported him, and was deported because he never got a US citizenship.....media deathly silent

had that same scenario, occured...which it will under trump...media will go insane

i don't trust the media polls, they go to the right places to get the polls results they want.

polls were wrong

trump vs clinton
bush vs gore
reagan vs mondale

media ate salty crow

[alexw]

the argument was he was attacking fox that's one quote from a list, dear god talk about spinning,.. again whatever helps you all sleep at nite... and ya it was just as bad as saying you're news is fake if you had any clue about that comment.

If its as bad then do as I asked. Find me just one or two examples from this site where Obama supporters taking Obama's lead, started calling anti-Obama stories "fake news". There has got to be plenty right? If Obama and Trump are equivalent on this?

[Deleted]

Oh so he -wasn't- authorised to negotiate as he did.

Get your story straight, Trumpets.

Responding to a question on whether he would have sacked him if the details of his conversation with the Russian ambassador had not leaked, Mr Trump said: “No, I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence. Very simple.”

The Republican was also asked whether he had instructed Mr Flynn to raise the issue of sanctions with Russia.
The controversial orders Donald Trump has already issued

He replied: “No I didn’t…Mike was doing his job. He was calling countries and his counterparts.

“So it certainly would have been OK with me if he did it. I would have directed him to do it if I thought he wasn’t doing it.

“I didn’t direct him but I would have directed him because that’s his job."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7584626.html

[Elegiac]

Responding to a question on whether he would have sacked him if the details of his conversation with the Russian ambassador had not leaked, Mr Trump said: “No, I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence. Very simple.”

The Republican was also asked whether he had instructed Mr Flynn to raise the issue of sanctions with Russia.
The controversial orders Donald Trump has already issued

He replied: “No I didn’t…Mike was doing his job. He was calling countries and his counterparts.

“So it certainly would have been OK with me if he did it. I would have directed him to do it if I thought he wasn’t doing it.

“I didn’t direct him but I would have directed him because that’s his job."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7584626.html

Again, you're dodging the question.

Why did Flynn feel the need to lie.

[Dadwen]

If its as bad then do as I asked. Find me just one or two examples from this site where Obama supporters taking Obama's lead, started calling anti-Obama stories "fake news". There has got to be plenty right? If Obama and Trump are equivalent on this?

I don't give a crap what Obama supporters did, I think both Trump and Obama are correct, just that Obama has a bit more tact in the way he says it, so stupid people can't catch his drift.
My point I'm trying to make stands Obama criticized the press just as bad as trump, he was just was better at making it sounds less blunt.

[Deleted]

Why did Flynn feel the need to lie.

You got me - no clue. To be honest, I don't get that either.

BTW - I never dodged that question. You never asked even asked that to me.

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Actually it's exactly what you said. You said not to count applicable laws because you don't like them.

Truly, truly desperate. Wonder what it's like to live in an alternate reality like you do.

Again - I never said I did not like the law. I said it did not apply. I like the Logan law very much.

[alexw]

I don't give a crap what Obama supporters did, I think both Trump and Obama is correct, just that Obama has a bit more tact in the way he says it, so stupid people can't catch his drift.
My point I'm trying to make stands Obama criticized the press just as bad as trump, he was just was better at making it sounds less blunt.

And again, if he did so you would have seen his supporters following his lead and calling anti-obama stories fake news. Just as we are seeing now with the Trumpists.

So provide me those examples.

Come on do so, or admit you are wrong on this.

[Dadwen]

And again, if he did so you would have seen his supporters following his lead and calling anti-obama stories fake news. Just as we are seeing now with the Trumpists.

So provide me those examples.

Come on do so, or admit you are wrong on this.

no not wrong what I quoted was in his own words an again I don't give a crap what his supporters say about it, it has nothing to do with what Obama said durp... nice side tracking though...