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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    As far as I am concerned employers can fend for themselves unless there's compelling social interest in doing otherwise.
    What does that even mean?

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  2. #362
    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    As far as I am concerned employers can fend for themselves unless there's compelling social interest in doing otherwise.
    Yeah and watch the economy go right down the toilet.

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    You're aware that labour contracts almost always have termination and resignation clauses and don't require people to wait for the contract to expire, right?

    Americans are freer to be exploited, and that's about it.

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    No, because it's incredibly contemptuous in all its non-facetious contexts.
    You do realize that if you don't meet those clauses you are stuck either working out the contract or paying that contract back right? Contracts generally don't have a " I found a better job so I'm bailing on you" out in them. The company would never accept the contract under those terms to begin with. There wouldn't even be a point in having one in that case.

    And you do seem to breed contempt with your thoughts, so I guess the phrase fits you nicely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armourboy View Post
    Yeah and watch the economy go right down the toilet.
    Yes yes, all must serve the will of the great corporations or the economy will come apart.

    You might see an optometrist about that myopia. There are nations other than the USA where employees actually have rights beyond "do what you're told" and their economies are just fine.

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    I believe in freedom of speech, but it isn't freedom from consequences, and I'm not picking sides on this one. Everyone on both sides had a right to what they did.

    I'm wondering if people read the article though.

    'Not showing up for work without asking'? They advised the supervisors the day before. They didn't just not show up.

    'What was the point in the whole thing if they were going to make up the work'? To show that they would be missed, but to make it up on Sunday so as NOT to financially damage the employer (orders to fill, schedules to maintain, etc.)

    'So they were going to work Sunday for overtime'? Really? The day of the week doesn't matter. You only get OT for hours over 40. You don't get paid time and half just because it's Sunday.

    Why all the talk about illegal immigrants? Where in the story does it say that any of them is/was illegal? Surprise, you can be an immigrant, and be here legally too.

    Reading comprehension. It doesn't matter if the news is "fake" or not if everybody just reads what they want to read anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    Yes yes, all must serve the will of the great corporations or the economy will come apart.

    You might see an optometrist about that myopia. There are nations other than the USA where employees actually have rights beyond "do what you're told" and their economies are just fine.
    I don't even know where to begin with this. I get told what to do everyday, it's part of having a job. As long as your not being mistreated, what is the problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Armourboy View Post
    Yeah and watch the economy go right down the toilet.
    Because the US' economy is doing relatively so much better than those with employee protections. Right.

    How much Republican horse shit can one man swallow? Stay tuned folks, we're going to find out.

    You do realize that if you don't meet those clauses you are stuck either working out the contract or paying that contract back right? Contracts generally don't have a " I found a better job so I'm bailing on you" out in them. The company would never accept the contract under those terms to begin with. There wouldn't even be a point in having one in that case.
    No, no, and no.

    That is not how employment contracts and awards work at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ControlWarrior View Post
    I don't even know where to begin with this. I get told what to do everyday, it's part of having a job. As long as your not being mistreated, what is the problem?
    The definition of 'mistreatment' is far more narrow in the US than elsewhere.

    Most civilized people don't consider working under the poverty line for eighty hours a week remotely acceptable, for example.
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    I live in a liberal employment-at-will state. Want to keep your job? Show up and do your job. Want a pay check? Show up and do your job.

    Lets have "a day without white people". All businesses owned by white people will be closed down. And workers won't be able to use PTO to cover the lost days pay.

    Then lets keep the "I'm a special snowflake" ball rolling with "A day without right-handed people", "A day without left-handed people", "A day without women", "A day without men", "A day without shortsighted people", "A day without cat lovers"...
    Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I support the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowdasher View Post
    I live in a liberal employment-at-will state. Want to keep your job? Show up and do your job. Want a pay check? Show up and do your job.
    Honor thy consumer. A soul's value is the dollars therein.

    Lets have "a day without white people". All businesses owned by white people will be closed down. And workers won't be able to use PTO to cover the lost days pay.

    Then lets keep the "I'm a special snowflake" ball rolling with "A day without right-handed people", "A day without left-handed people", "A day without women", "A day without men", "A day without shortsighted people", "A day without cat lovers"...
    Because white people and right handed people suffer discrimination and harassment despite working in fields which provide highly demanded services. Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    As far as I am concerned employers can fend for themselves unless there's compelling social interest in doing otherwise.
    So you take the shit employees have now and make the employers eat it? Great show of brain power right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teebu View Post
    So you take the shit employees have now and make the employers eat it? Great show of brain power right there.
    Employers in places with a bevy of worker protections seem to manage just fine.

    Also, this is rather curious - why is a country that is purportedly so anti-tyranny totally okay with definitional tyranny if it isn't a government one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Employers in places with a bevy of worker protections seem to manage just fine.

    Also, this is rather curious - why is a country that is purportedly so anti-tyranny totally okay with definitional tyranny if it isn't a government one?
    Because the US is full of worker millionaires that are embarrassed by their temporary lack of millions. Once they become millionaires, all that socialism would just be unfair.

    ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Employers in places with a bevy of worker protections seem to manage just fine.
    Fine? Sure. The most dominating economy the world has ever known? No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovm33 View Post
    Fine? Sure. The most dominating economy the world has ever known? No.
    Pretty much solely by dint of being the largest developed nation, not any virtues of governmental or economic philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    'Protesting things in the correct manner' for you people generally seems to mean 'don't do it, period'.

    Employers and business owners are by and far one of the greatest enemies of the public good, so fuck them.
    Who is "you people"?

    Also they're the ones hiring the immigrants, so they clearly don't want them gone.
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    Fired for job abandonment is what I get out of this.

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    Haha good shit, the idiot snowflakes deserved it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    The definition of 'mistreatment' is far more narrow in the US than elsewhere.

    Most civilized people don't consider working under the poverty line for eighty hours a week remotely acceptable, for example.
    Trust me, coming from a minimum wage slave job before I started my own business, with zero education outside of grade school... the only people who get stuck in dead-end jobs are those who don't care to look elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewOU2015 View Post
    Hope they sue the employers. What jerks
    For what, exactly? No legal basis whatsoever. The quoted article even spells it out.

    They probably won't be eligible for unemployment, either; a lot of places in at-will states will treat unapproved absence as a voluntary resignation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    lol they are always either doing walk outs or on strike at FedEx :P
    FedEx Express? I think not. I'd lose my job if I walked out. Hell, I was late once and they jumped my ass about it. If you are thinking FedEx Ground, you might be correct. Either way, they pay well and are one of the last few companies that offer a pension plan. =P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelk View Post
    They should go to their union over this
    This is different than requesting off or using leave. They literally refused to work and stated it as such and the purpose was something the employer had nothing to do with.

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