KY: Men must get note from wives before purchasing Viagra.

[KrazyK923]

Only if the child/foetus/zygote is a different species to the mother.

I was waiting for someone to make the "but the definition says it needs to be a different species!"

I wasn't saying it was identical to a parasite. But that it acts like one.

Thank you though?

[Dhrizzle]

Would be completely ok with it if women would take not only all the decision power in this issue, but all the responsibility.
Of it is only up to a woman to decide whether the couple is having a baby or not - it should be her sole responsibility.

However in most of the countries the government obliges men to pay child support. In some even for the babies that they are not biological fathers of.

Women have bodily autonomy which meant they get to make choices about what happens to their body. They also have to deal with the consequences to their body of those choices, whether it is going through with the pregnancy or the physical/emotional fallout of an abortion.

However (excepting cases of rape) both parents got to make a choice about the situation which leads to a child being conceived. Assuming that conceived child comes to term both parents take responsibility for the choices they made. If a man doesn't wish to bare responsibility for a child they get to choose not to have sexual contact with women.

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I was under the impression that abortion is not a big deal, and just a matter of removing a few cells?

So how do we make this even? If the man would not only sign a piece of paper, but also have an appendectomy will it make it right in your eyes?

You can't make it even, men and women have physical differences based upon the role they play in the act of reproduction.

The closes thing to even would be if science developed a way to extract a living foetus and bring it to term in some sort of artificial uterus, that way if both parents don't agree to an abortion the child can be "born" without violating the woman's right to bodily autonomy and then both parents will be responsible.

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I was waiting for someone to make the "but the definition says it needs to be a different species!"

I wasn't saying it was identical to a parasite. But that it acts like one.

Thank you though?

Acting as a parasite specifically means living on a different species, it might sound cool and edgy to refer to an embryo as a parasite but it's technically inaccurate for several reasons, not least of which is the hormonal bond the mother can develop early in the relationship.

[Total Crica]

Acting as a parasite specifically means living on a different species.

Not according to the government Center for Disease Control in the USA.

parasites

"A parasite is an organism that lives on or in a host and gets its food from or at the expense of its host."

[KrazyK923]

Acting as a parasite specifically means living on a different species, it might sound cool and edgy to refer to an embryo as a parasite but it's technically inaccurate for several reasons, not least of which is the hormonal bond the mother can develop early in the relationship.

...lol. Kay buddy.

[melodramocracy]

Given the point she's trying to make here, I'm completely OK with this.

[Dhrizzle]

Not according to the government Center for Disease Control in the USA.

parasites

"A parasite is an organism that lives on or in a host and gets its food from or at the expense of its host."

Biology involves more complexity than you get from single sentences. In all but a few cases, none of which are human, in a parasitic relationship the "host" refers to a different species, and in those cases where an organism does use members of the same species as a host it reproduces behaviour it uses on other species.

As both mother and child have to work together to make the biological relationship work, and carrying a child increases the (evolutionary) fitness of the mother, a more accurate description would be symbiotic.

[Blobfish]

she is suspicious when her husband gets an erection. aint no way its natural

ugh

Rather sleep with my Neighbours goat

[Dhrizzle]

...lol. Kay buddy.

Glad you agree to an extent you're laughing out loud at yourself.a

[Total Crica]

Biology involves more complexity than you get from single sentences. In all but a few cases, none of which are human, in a parasitic relationship the "host" refers to a different species, and in those cases where an organism does use members of the same species as a host it reproduces behavior it uses on other species.

As both mother and child have to work together to make the biological relationship work, and carrying a child increases the (evolutionary) fitness of the mother, a more accurate description would be symbiotic.

It didn't increase my fitness. Sex can be had by mentally unstable women. My case isn't the worst, but it wasn't fixed by having a child.

In some cases, it can harm women as well. Science can figure out how things are working, but it can't claim how things ought to be working.

[KrazyK923]

It didn't increase my fitness. Sex can be had by mentally unstable women. My case isn't the worst, but it wasn't fixed by having a child.

He's just being a tryhard pretending he's making a point when ultimately his post boils down to, "Technically the dictionary definition is..."

But I suppose its the same level of quality of other people's post calling me Hitleresque.

[Christonya]

A person should have zero say over what occurs in another person's body.

So your stance is, no matter what, abortion should be illegal?

[Garnier Fructis]

What purpose does it even serve to imply that fetuses are parasite-like except to add negative connotation to it?

It's really annoying, especially given fetuses are not what biologists typically have in mind when they're talking about parasitic relationships.

[Dhrizzle]

It didn't increase my fitness. Sex can be had by mentally unstable women. My case isn't the worst, but it wasn't fixed by having a child.

"Fitness" in evolutionary terms refers to the ability to pass on genes. Women would not. A woman would not be able to pass on her genes without pregnancy.

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So your stance is, no matter what, abortion should be illegal?

Nope, and I'm pretty sure that would be close to the opposite of what I stated.

[May90]

If you think about it for a minute, the premise behind the discussions like this is utterly ridiculous. Just think about it: "My morals tell me that men should not have sex with anyone other than their wives => we should limit their ability to purchase Viagra".

This connection between "My morals say I should do X" and "I need to force others to do X" is a logical fallacy, is it not?

[Christonya]

Nope, and I'm pretty sure that would be close to the opposite of what I stated.

To state that some one should have zero say over what happens to anothers body implies that a mother should have zero say over what happens to the fetus (which is it's own separate body).

[Total Crica]

"Fitness" in evolutionary terms refers to the ability to pass on genes.

Oh, I misunderstood you to be referring to the fitness of being a mother to a child.

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It didn't increase my fitness. Sex can be had by mentally unstable women. My case isn't the worst, but it wasn't fixed by having a child.

In some cases, it can harm women as well. Science can figure out how things are working, but it can't claim how things ought to be working.

That's because there is objectively no way how things "ought to be working". That's a value statement which can't be subjectively made. What we can say though is that fitness in a biological perspective is the abilityto pass on genes and science can quite clearly show you that in mammals this works in a very specific way. While pregnancy carries risks for women, there is no other way that reproduction "ought to be working" simply because there is no other way reproduction works in humans.

[Dhrizzle]

He's just being a tryhard pretending he's making a point when ultimately his post boils down to, "Techllnically the dictionary definition is..."

When you are being so blatantly inaccurate I don't have to try hard at all, and making a point about what a word actually means is better than not caring about definitions because you think it makes you edgy and cool.

Also interesting attempt at a reverse Godwin there.

[KrazyK923]

Also interesting attempt at a reverse Godwin there.

Except when, you know, it actually happened in the thread.

But ok. Continue on with your tryhard nonsense.

[Total Crica]

there is no other way reproduction works in humans.

For now. Evolution/technology may change that.