New Draenor Spoilers (Chronicles Vol II)

[derpkitteh]

it's not much of a stretch to think some might consider joining the legion willingly.
... ok well im not going to argue lore with somone who really thinks that...

did you not do the shaman campaign? there's incredible amounts of infighting and hatred in the firelands and skywall.

they're free thinking creatures, they're not mindless robots. they have ambitions and grudges.

oh, and cyruhk on draenor seem to be willingly being fel-infused.

[anaxie]

Meh these guys made MoP out of thin air with all the great lore it brought, I wouldn't be surprised if they can pull out many more expansion if it makes money.
Yeah it might be tougher for them to make these stories and lore out of nowhere and connect it to other stuff in WoW but they already did it, I believe they can pull it out again somehow. Worst case scenario - some bizzare alternate time time travel again that messes up with reality lol.

Out of no where but still u sing old things like unkown watchers

Unknown old gods

Garrosh pushing the dickhead card.


They dont have these cards again. Chronicle has dispelled the mystery. Thats all there is.

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Sure, sargeras(could be) is in a patch,but the whole expansion is centered on Legion. Deathwing was also just a patch, but the whole expansion was about him. So a Void Lord could be a whole expansion in the future, but he will be killable in the last patch only

Dimensius isn't a void lord as in big evil void lords Sargeras is afraid of. There is lots of Demon Lords too, but not all of them is a KJ or an Archimonde.

Sure, I dont really think there will be another Lich King expac, just an idea wich has been floating around this forums. Have to mention though, Legion made The Lich King with the intent to create and control the scourge. So no, it was purely the Burning Legions doing.

Ally/horde vs Jaina could be faction base expansion.

Most likely is the Army of the Light vs Void Lords. That could be at least two expansions, its in about 30-40 years time(lorewise) and seeing each expansion is like 10 and 10 years, 3-4 more expansions to come at least!^^

The expansion hasn't evenfocused on Sargeras yet only his minions.

Much like a Void lord expansion would focus on his Azshara =Gul'Dan N'zoth = Kil'jaeden first.

Dimensius IS a Void Lord:

Source: An old god weapon that has been whispering us secrets of the Black Empire all expansion.

2 expansions left IF they stretch it.

if they do 3 the game will be near life support status before the story hits conclusion. People won't stick around for filler shit especially after story arcs like destruction of the Burning Legion happens for some people. That is as big a nail in the coffin of Warcrafts entire story as the Culmination of Arthas's story was for others.

[FelPlague]

did you not do the shaman campaign? there's incredible amounts of infighting and hatred in the firelands and skywall.

they're free thinking creatures, they're not mindless robots. they have ambitions and grudges.

oh, and cyruhk on draenor seem to be willingly being fel-infused.

guldan forcefully did it, making cyruhk insane
and the reason eelemtnals dont join the legion or embrace fel is its death magic, and
A. if the planet dies so do the elements
b. it kills them (as seen with chy with how it killed him and decimated the elemental bond in outland creating the fucking mess that is shadowmoon)
c. they cant exactly leave the planet...

and yes they may hate the other factions, but not their own faction

[derpkitteh]

guldan forcefully did it, making cyruhk insane
and the reason eelemtnals dont join the legion or embrace fel is its death magic, and
A. if the planet dies so do the elements
b. it kills them (as seen with chy with how it killed him and decimated the elemental bond in outland creating the fucking mess that is shadowmoon)
c. they cant exactly leave the planet...

and yes they may hate the other factions, but not their own faction

it's infighting within their own factions. infighting for leadership of the firelands, infighting for leadership of skywall. not fighting between the air and fire elementals, though they do hate each other too.

fel won't kill them, they just become corrupt, changing to demons, like anything else does. fel earth, fel fire, fel water, and fel air.

in the quest line i just did, there's elementals turned to felfire, a fel-fire elemental guy using fire magic from the elemental plane of fire. eredar using earth magic with fire to make fel magma.

[anaxie]

Has to be the longest, most self-pretentious and thus also my favourite "South Seas is the next expansion" post yet.

I aim to please

[Kazlofski]

we could allways after beating the legion, then have an azshara and nzoth expansion that also has places like kultiras and zandalar
then we could find out about the void after beating nzoth, and go to another planet to recruit allies to help defeat the void, after that we could go fight the void

so 3 more right there

Exactly, and even there we can have plot twists or go to 3 expansions where each one is visiting another world where we gather different race allies, it's never ending as long as Blizzard wants to keep doing it! Also Either Bolvar goes mad eventually or some villain appears (Maybe Mal'ganis again for instance) and does some stuff to corrupt Bolvar so we fight them in another Northrend expansion. The possibilities are endless :P

[Rafoel]

Please, Legion story won't be over after Legion expansion. We didn't actually do shit againt Legion. Sure, we killed shitload of demons, but they are gonna just respawn in Twisting Nether in few years. Even if we kill Kil'jaeden, it doesn't matter shit as long as Sargeras is alive, and those who think we will kill Sargeras at the end of Legion are just delusional. 6 Titans together could not beat Sargeras. One of these Titans crushed Yshaaraj with one hand. The other casually created a Giant the size of whole zone (Gorgrond). They couldn't do shit against Sargeras. Entire Burning Legion wouldn't do shit against Sargeras if they united against him.

And yes, our "artifacts" also wouldn't do shit against him.

But go on, please describe one even slightly logical way in which we could destroy Sargeras.


Also, there won't be "Void Lords" expansion. Void Lords were added to lore as a way to understand the actions of Burning Legion and Old Gods. You all thinking Chronicle introduced Void Lords as a way to establish future villains, somehow miss that the same Chronicle explicitly stated that Void Lords are unable to manifest in our dimension. Old Gods are everything void-related that we will ever face, and they were always supposed to be. When the Old Gods are defeated, there is absolutely no reason to try to fight the Void Lords.

But go on, please describe how the zones in void lord expansion would look like. Because, you know, void is emptiness, there is literally nothing where the void lords reside.

Even Emerald Dream expansion made more sense than Void Lord expansion, and Blizzard still ditched it because it would be too monotonous.


But why am I trying... these are the same people that shouted at me till HFC release, that "Grom will be the final boss of WoD".

[derpkitteh]

Please, Legion story won't be over after Legion expansion. We didn't actually do shit againt Legion. Sure, we killed shitload of demons, but they are gonna just respawn in Twisting Nether in few years. Even if we kill Kil'jaeden, it doesn't matter shit as long as Sargeras is alive, and those who think we will kill Sargeras at the end of Legion are just delusional. 6 Titans together could not beat Sargeras. One of these Titans crushed Yshaaraj with one hand. The other casually created a Giant the size of whole zone (Gorgrond). They couldn't do shit against Sargeras. Entire Burning Legion wouldn't do shit against Sargeras if they united against him.

And yes, our "artifacts" also wouldn't do shit against him.

But go on, please describe one even slightly logical way in which we could destroy Sargeras.


Also, there won't be "Void Lords" expansion. Void Lords were added to lore as a way to understand the actions of Burning Legion and Old Gods. You all thinking Chronicle introduced Void Lords as a way to establish future villains, somehow miss that the same Chronicle explicitly stated that Void Lords are unable to manifest in our dimension. Old Gods are everything void-related that we will ever face, and they were always supposed to be. When the Old Gods are defeated, there is absolutely no reason to try to fight the Void Lords.

But go on, please describe how the zones in void lord expansion would look like. Because, you know, void is emptiness, there is literally nothing where the void lords reside.

Even Emerald Dream expansion made more sense than Void Lord expansion, and Blizzard still ditched it because it would be too monotonous.


But why am I trying... these are the same people that shouted at me till HFC release, that "Grom will be the final boss of WoD".

the void lords can fling old gods out of the void at azeroth until she forms as a full titan.

there could also be another world soul out there in the vastness of space that nobody knows about.

[Rafoel]

Nevertheless, expansions used to be more or less foreshadowed in earlier expansions. It was also usually impossible to determine what next after next expansion would be basing on the current expansion. Thus, I cannot tell what 8th expansion would be, but the 7th is already taking shape.

BC, as a first expansion, was natural route from Vanilla.
WotLK was specifically "announced" already during Naxxramas in Vanilla. You even hear Lich King talking during Kel'thuzad encounter.
Cataclysm was announced in late WotLK, with Ruby Sanctum pre-patch.
MoP was the one of complete surprise, thus being called joke xpac. The only explanation was "ships finding new land in mists".
WoD was all about last MoP patch, with Timeless Isle and stuff. Still, due to Wratchion's actions most people expected Legion xpac...

Which came now. Apart from MoP, basically whole WoD led to this point. With MoP's and WoD's clues finalized, Legion includes 100% of clues about future events.

Azshara and N'zoth is the most obvious one. Their presence is heavy on Broken Isles, with 1 whole zone being about naga, and Il'gynoth specifically talks about what will come. Them not getting immediate development immediately after Legion would be a huge wtf.

Alas, more subtle hints appear around the Lich King. Bolvar might get his own patch next xpac, as a nod towards WotLK, same as Legion is a nod towards BC.

[Captain Kennedy]

I have no idea why people are arguing that the end of Warcraft's story is near when we have this:


When Anduin goes to face the final threat, he's on an old man. Now while we've had time jumps before, I would be baffled if this was coming any time soon. Sure we know the end point, but we're way waaaaay off it.

[anaxie]

Exactly, and even there we can have plot twists or go to 3 expansions where each one is visiting another world where we gather different race allies, it's never ending as long as Blizzard wants to keep doing it! Also Either Bolvar goes mad eventually or some villain appears (Maybe Mal'ganis again for instance) and does some stuff to corrupt Bolvar so we fight them in another Northrend expansion. The possibilities are endless :P

Mal'ganis and Bolvar are pathetic insects and not a threat on their own.

Bolvar is quite aware of how much fury went down on the legion and the last lich king. He won't condemn himself by trying to do the same.

Lastly

just fucking stop with the OTHER WOOOORLDSSS bullshit.

It's not going to happen unless the other world is the staging ground for fighting the void like K'aresh or it's directly linked to Azeroth like Argus or Draenor.

Oh and the other world would of already needed to be established at this point as some mega OH HELL YEAH lore location to visit.

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Yeah we are not getting to Anduin going that old unless a) Anduin gets magically aged, b) we have a multi-decade time leap.

Well traveling across the cosmos could take some time so pretty much yup timeskip.

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How exactly was BC a natural route from Vanilla, can you please elaborate? For all it's worth the first expansion could have just as easily been Northrend, South Seas, Quel'Thalas... there was so much unexplored land and literally no hints to BC.

It went straight for the Legion and WC3/TFT loregasm themes.

Just like how Wotlk and Arthas was OBVIOUSLY going to follow TBC after the Illidan / Legion story arcs concluded.

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Please, Legion story won't be over after Legion expansion. We didn't actually do shit againt Legion. Sure, we killed shitload of demons, but they are gonna just respawn in Twisting Nether in few years. Even if we kill Kil'jaeden, it doesn't matter shit as long as Sargeras is alive, and those who think we will kill Sargeras at the end of Legion are just delusional. 6 Titans together could not beat Sargeras. One of these Titans crushed Yshaaraj with one hand. The other casually created a Giant the size of whole zone (Gorgrond). They couldn't do shit against Sargeras. Entire Burning Legion wouldn't do shit against Sargeras if they united against him.

And yes, our "artifacts" also wouldn't do shit against him.

But go on, please describe one even slightly logical way in which we could destroy Sargeras.


Also, there won't be "Void Lords" expansion. Void Lords were added to lore as a way to understand the actions of Burning Legion and Old Gods. You all thinking Chronicle introduced Void Lords as a way to establish future villains, somehow miss that the same Chronicle explicitly stated that Void Lords are unable to manifest in our dimension. Old Gods are everything void-related that we will ever face, and they were always supposed to be. When the Old Gods are defeated, there is absolutely no reason to try to fight the Void Lords.

But go on, please describe how the zones in void lord expansion would look like. Because, you know, void is emptiness, there is literally nothing where the void lords reside.

Even Emerald Dream expansion made more sense than Void Lord expansion, and Blizzard still ditched it because it would be too monotonous.


But why am I trying... these are the same people that shouted at me till HFC release, that "Grom will be the final boss of WoD".

Please Sargeras is not the unbeatable foe the community has built him up has.

It's guaranteed he WILL be in 7.3 raid as the finale considering his right and left hands are dead before 7.3 starts.

The ONLY way Sargeras will survive is if the Void Lords in his weakened state enthrall and break him to their will finally getting their Dark Titan. Thus making Sargeras the Dark Titan the FINAL boss in the ENTIRE game because it will be the ultimate expression of the Void Lords Power.

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the void lords can fling old gods out of the void at azeroth until she forms as a full titan.

there could also be another world soul out there in the vastness of space that nobody knows about.

Neither of which will happen.

[derpkitteh]

Neither of which will happen.

if we don't fight the void lords it should.

blizz is the only thing that would stop it.

[Captain Kennedy]

Well traveling across the cosmos could take some time so pretty much yup timeskip.

That's an assumption based on pretty much no known lore.
If Anduin is this old BEFORE setting out to destroy the final threat he has either aged naturally, or was magically aged liked Khadgar.
We have never heard of any aging in space travel in Warcraft thus far. This is also on the assumption that Anduin will space travel consistently for years to get to this point.

Warcraft has time skips. Usually a few years at a time at most, though WC2 - WC3 was 15 years I believe. Still we're talking 30 in game years at absolute minimum here. I would suspect a lot longer than that.

There is no reason to believe we are getting to this point in the comic any time soon.

[Deleted]

Leave it to anaxie and others to derail a thread about Vol. 2 spoilers regarding Draenor and make it about whether WoW's story will come to an end soon.

As to whether or not WoW's lore will be milked or not, let me remind you its origins come from an RTS about orcs and humans.

They make this stuff up as they go along. If you don't understand that by now, you never will.

[anaxie]

if we don't fight the void lords it should.

blizz is the only thing that would stop it.

It would be awful.

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That's an assumption based on pretty much no known lore.
If Anduin is this old BEFORE setting out to destroy the final threat he has either aged naturally, or was magically aged liked Khadgar.
We have never heard of any aging in space travel in Warcraft thus far. This is also on the assumption that Anduin will space travel consistently for years to get to this point.

Warcraft has time skips. Usually a few years at a time at most, though WC2 - WC3 was 15 years I believe. Still we're talking 30 in game years at absolute minimum here. I would suspect a lot longer than that.

There is no reason to believe we are getting to this point in the comic any time soon.

There is when thats currently all thats left in the game / known landmasses.

Source: Why the Chronicle and the entire history of the game to this point of course!

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Leave it to anaxie and others to derail a thread about Vol. 2 spoilers regarding Draenor and make it about whether WoW's story will come to an end soon.

As to whether or not WoW's lore will be milked or not, let me remind you its origins come from an RTS about orcs and humans.

They make this stuff up as they go along. If you don't understand that by now, you never will.

Except they don't. You must be ignorant of the games lore and when villans and locations were established.

[derpkitteh]

It would be awful.

if something doesn't destroy the void lords, what is to stop it from happening? what sense does it make for it to not happen? none.

their goal is to make a void titan. as long as one world soul exists, they will continue trying. it wouldn't make sense for them to just stop trying.

[Deleted]

Except they don't. You must be ignorant of the games lore and when villans and locations were established.

Except they do and always have. Retcon after retcon have proven this. You must be ignorant of the game's lore and when villains and locations were established.

[Doffen]

Out of no where but still u sing old things like unkown watchers

Unknown old gods

Garrosh pushing the dickhead card.


They dont have these cards again. Chronicle has dispelled the mystery. Thats all there is.

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The expansion hasn't evenfocused on Sargeras yet only his minions.

Much like a Void lord expansion would focus on his Azshara =Gul'Dan N'zoth = Kil'jaeden first.

Dimensius IS a Void Lord:

Source: An old god weapon that has been whispering us secrets of the Black Empire all expansion.

2 expansions left IF they stretch it.

if they do 3 the game will be near life support status before the story hits conclusion. People won't stick around for filler shit especially after story arcs like destruction of the Burning Legion happens for some people. That is as big a nail in the coffin of Warcrafts entire story as the Culmination of Arthas's story was for others.

Now, it was you that pointed out that Sargeras was only a patch. What about Deathwing? Cataclysm was about him. Why can't they do that to a void lord? And Garrosh, why can't they do that to Jaina? I don't think many players knew who Sargeras was back in vanilla wow, there was so few that knew about it, just as there is only so little info about the Void Lords now. They can easily make lore, and make whispers of a name into the main villain.

And yes, Dimensius, he could be a big villain. In his true form. Now even I know him by name :P I have killed his fragment in Netherstorm :>

[WolfRider]

I'm agree with @anaxie, there might be 2 expansions left :

Return of Black Empire : Ny'alotha the dark island raised by Azshara, where Nagas and Pirates bring prisonners in the Tower of Sacrifices to feed N'Zoth (raid tier 3) taken on raids over nearby Islands. Nagas are protecting the Island with a spell channeled by Azhara herself (raid tier 2), but before you assault the Old God city you'll have to secure the different populations on nearby Islands (leveling quests), get rid of the Bloodsail Buccaneers who made a pact with N'Zoth by attacking their base on Plunder Isle (non-tier raid 1), take Kul'Tiras back from Nagas and N'Zoth minions (non-tier raid 2), stop the prophet Zul to resurrect the other Old Gods (raid tier 1).

Underworlds : You killed the last Old God but N'Zoth succeeded to overflow the World Soul with void corrupted souls, so you'll have to reach the Planet's core and use the power of the Army of Light to cure the nascent Titan before the Void Lord [whoever's name] possess Her. You discover Azeroth's underworld, remains of the Old Gods' minions cities (Aquir & others), close many rifts opened to the flooded Shadowlands etc...

Warcraft 4 Into the Void : You cured Azeroth, but the nascent Titan isn't ready to awake. There's a Rift left opened leading to the Void Lord's dimension. Join the Army of the Light, led by Anduin Wrynn and cross the Shadow realm into the Exodar.
This ENDS the Warcraft license.

[anaxie]

Now, it was you that pointed out that Sargeras was only a patch. What about Deathwing? Cataclysm was about him. Why can't they do that to a void lord? And Garrosh, why can't they do that to Jaina? I don't think many players knew who Sargeras was back in vanilla wow, there was so few that knew about it, just as there is only so little info about the Void Lords now. They can easily make lore, and make whispers of a name into the main villain.

And yes, Dimensius, he could be a big villain. In his true form. Now even I know him by name :P I have killed his fragment in Netherstorm :>

It doesn't matter if people knew about his his importance to the story never changed.

Just like Gul'Dan , Blackhand, Cho'gall, Ragnaros, Gorefiends ect. importance in the lore never diminished and they got used in a high capacity.
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the fact is comparing the past to now.

In the past TONS of villans still were alive

As of post legion. 2 are alive not counting Void Lords.

And those 2 have ALWAYS been expected to ship together and currently in Legion they are both HEAVILY being pushed together as the next threat.