Is Wrathion a Villain?

[Tyrathius]

Of course he's a villain. Just because we haven't gotten around to killing him yet doesn't make him not a villain.

[Deleted]

Ofc he is a villian, atleast for Horde players that is.

[Evangeliste]

He's not a villain, yet. He is however always been scheming to engineer a super faction which is why he did silly things like allow Garrosh to run off (so in the end, maybe the Alliance could rise up or could try to take the Iron Horde and shit went sideways). Either way, he knows something bigger is coming and trying to pull the strings to protect against it. To me it's like the whole thing with Azeroth, for years we didn't know what was up with our planet and now we do, so in my mind its that similar case where we as players know nothing meanwhile certain lore characters do. Which is why he appears to be a baffoon now, because we in ignorance believe his actions to do stupid.

Wrathion acts as if a bigger evil is coming, he's prepping for it. He is aligned with the Earth so maybe he knows about Azeroth and things to come? We have got Magni sure but that doesn't mean the dragonflight are idiots to their old charge.

[Combatbutler]

He is basically a kid playing with firearms, with no one to properly teach him and as a consequence screws up all the time. Now that Ebonhorn is around he might get raised properly.

[NightHaawk]

Pointless thread, holy crap.

Pointless comment, holy crap.

[Rotted]

What Im more interested in, say if we don't see him this expac, or we see him in the very last patch, I wonder if the threat he wanted to unite us for, isn't actually the legion,

[NightHaawk]

he may not be trying to be a villain, but he is becoming one, with the shit he pulled in cata/mop, and being somehow connected to cordana turning evil...



i think hes corrupted, weather he knows it or not....


2. he was flying away from khadgars tower when cordana was corrupted, so he payed her a vist, just before she turned evil and joined the legion

First of all if Wrathion is corrupted Blizzard will be officially incapable of writing a story. Second he really did nothing bad in Cata, the reds were going to use him for their own cause and he wanted to be an independent, plain and simple. Also you cannot seriously think he had anything to do with Cordana turning to the Legion can you? There is literally nothing to imply that whatsoever and it is so against his character it isn't even funny.

[Verdugo]

I see many people consider Wrathion to have som insidious motives. He is not evil...



He is just idiot.

[Stormdash]

The entire fact of "Legion" as you state it lies squarely at OUR feet. Next time instead of freeing the murderous sociopath that is completely immobilized and powerling while powering the portal with his lifeforce we can just . . . I don't know, kill him?

Good point. Now, remind me whose fault it is we ever saw Gul'dan 2.0 in the first place? Wrathion, via Operation Worst Idea Ever.

[Lillyth]

Pointless comment, holy crap.

Pointless comment, holy crap.

[Uncle]

Of course he is, Wrathion is a servant of N'zoth, along with Azshara, why do you think he was searching for titanic relics? Why do you think the nagas are searching for the Golganneth stone in Azsuna? Because their goal is to use the Pilars of creation to realese N'zoth from his prison.
Oh, and have you ever though of how strange it was to have a "dragon baby" according to HIS words, to be so powerfull? Even before eating Lei Shen's heart, he possess power beyond any dragon, even aspects.

[Stormdash]

Oh, I agree that not killing Gul'dan then and there was a unjustifiable plot choice (even if it permitted probably the best written and voice-acted line in WoW that isn't a "in the mountains" punchline -- I mean, at the end of the Broken Shore, one of my first thoughts was "there will be time for regret later"), but thread is a discussion of Wrathion's moral status, so can't discuss that without discussing the consequences of his stupid plan. In Real Life, you're liable for the reasonably foreseeable consequences of your actions, and those are read pretty broadly, which is to say, it doesn't matter if Wrathion could have foreseen the specific chain of events from Garrosh's escape from Xuen's Temple ---> Gul'dan 2.0 opening the Tomb of Sargeras, just that he knew Garrosh was a malevolent idiotic douchebag and turned him loose and the foreseeable fact of his malevolent idiotic douchery harmed Azeroth.

If we see Wrathion in Legion at all, it would be nice to see him take ownership of this disaster, his own shortsightedness, etc. But he'd probably just blame us for not being as strong as he'd hoped.

[Stormdash]

I am sorry but the Legion invasion is not a reasonably foreseeable consequence of Wrathion's actions at the point where he releases Garrosh. You are using a very broad definition of foreseeable

I don't really see where in the chain of events there is some superseding cause of the next event that still doesn't tie back to "Wrathion freed Garrosh, and Garrosh is garbage". Garrosh rallying the Horde wasn't unforeseen, hell, it was the very purpose for which Garrosh was freed. Using the Shadow Council as a tool is exactly the kind of reckless power hungry stupidity that made Garrosh famous, so still on the original dumb idea. The Shadow Council bringing the Legion down on Draenor and then on Azeroth relates right back to being a consequence of Garrosh's crazy recklessness. Like, if you turn your child over to a known reckless driver and the kid is hurt in an accident, it doesn't matter if you knew what specific reckless driving choice the person was going to make, just that you knew the likelihood he'd make one and that that choice caused the harm.

[Sylvaeres]

No of course he isn't people get it together.

LOL you made an entire new thread about this? Yes, Wrathion COULD become a villain. No doubt about it

[FelPlague]

First of all if Wrathion is corrupted Blizzard will be officially incapable of writing a story. Second he really did nothing bad in Cata, the reds were going to use him for their own cause and he wanted to be an independent, plain and simple. Also you cannot seriously think he had anything to do with Cordana turning to the Legion can you? There is literally nothing to imply that whatsoever and it is so against his character it isn't even funny.

except when you return to the tower you can see him flying away, then you enter and banm, corrupted cordana
so why else would he be there, and at the exact moment she turns

[Combatbutler]

except when you return to the tower you can see him flying away, then you enter and banm, corrupted cordana
so why else would he be there, and at the exact moment she turns

It is also possible, that he was just observing her, wrathion helping the legion makes zero sense.

[Arrashi]

It is also possible, that he was just observing her, wrathion helping the legion makes zero sense.

What if he considers helping the legion the greatest way to save his people ? *cough* moronsandre *cough*

[Combatbutler]

What if he considers helping the legion the greatest way to save his people ? *cough* moronsandre *cough*

Wrathion does stupid shit, but that level of stupidity is a bit beyond him.

Elisande had her moment though, when she tore into the elf factions ;P

[Arrashi]

Wrathion does stupid shit, but that level of stupidity is a bit beyond him.

Elisande had her moment though, when she tore into the elf factions ;P

This only proves that you can achieve something even if all you do is scream and flail your limbs. She probably just got lucky critical success on skill check.

[NightHaawk]

except when you return to the tower you can see him flying away, then you enter and banm, corrupted cordana
so why else would he be there, and at the exact moment she turns

Its called an easter egg moron. The questline made it very very clear how and why Cordana was corrupted.

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Even before eating Lei Shen's heart, he possess power beyond any dragon, even aspects.

That is the biggest load of garbage I have ever read on this site which is saying a lot.

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It is also possible, that he was just observing her, wrathion helping the legion makes zero sense.

This is exactly what him showing up means. There is literally no reason to believe he had a role in corrupting her at all. It goes totally against his character and the actual story of that questline. Its like people don't even know the lore and just want to have edgy fringe opinions because they can.