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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Shaktard View Post
    Don't you just love socialism?
    As someone living in socialism, I do. It's awesome.

  2. #22
    Blaming this on socialism? Emm, then why this does not happen in Scandinavia? Stop mixing things up.
    Also, when the Maduro is going to finally fall? Not that it would solve their problems...

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Hiricine View Post
    The near inevitable end of socialism-- everyone wants to consume, first they assume control of property, then they move to debt, then price controls, then every failing mechanism on the way down until whats left is some level of capitalism with a socialist government thats too broke to oppose it.
    Lol what do you think caused Venezuela's collapse?

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Venezuela's issue was putting all of it's eggs into the 'Oil Market' basket, and not having any kind of contingency for when the market eventually turned against them and tanked everything. Blaming this issue entirely on Socialism is more than a little disingenuous, since it ignores context.

    ...But I'm sure I'm not the first, nor will be the last person to mention this every time a new Venezuela story comes up.
    But if I put the situation in context it might challenge my pre-existing bias therefore it obviously needs to be ignored.
    “The biggest communication problem is we do not listen to understand. We listen to reply,” Stephen Covey.

  5. #25
    You mean a country that relied on a SINGLE resource to fund their entire economy went under when that one resource tanked? You don't say.

  6. #26
    Oh right i forgot.

    When capitalistic systems fail its capitalism fault

    When socialist systems fail its capitalism fault.

    My bad folks.
    "It doesn't matter if you believe me or not but common sense doesn't really work here. You're mad, I'm mad. We're all MAD here."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sicari View Post
    But if I put the situation in context it might challenge my pre-existing bias therefore it obviously needs to be ignored.
    'Context' seems to have become such a divisive thing, as of late.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Oberyn Martell View Post
    Can you explain and elaborate how socialism caused the economic crisis in Venezuela?
    Well to be fair http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...uelas-problems

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Saucexorzski View Post
    Oh right i forgot.

    When capitalistic systems fail its capitalism fault

    When socialist systems fail its capitalism fault.

    My bad folks.
    I mean the situation is absolutely Venezuela's fault. They built an economy on a single market and that market, like every market, didn't last forever. That's not really an issue of socialism, its an issue of governance. Heavy oil economies are suffering all over, they just did a better job diversifying for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saucexorzski View Post
    Oh right i forgot.

    When capitalistic systems fail its capitalism fault

    When socialist systems fail its capitalism fault.

    My bad folks.
    Capitalism is just as much to blame as Socialism for this mess. But I think the biggest offender was general incompetence and relying too heavily on a single market to make money. Which, it did make them enough money to pursue their heavily socialized government for a time, but when it stopped doing so they should've hit the breaks so everything didn't crash.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSnow View Post
    Socialism muh boy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shaktard View Post
    Don't you just love socialism?
    Yeah cause capitalism doesn't cause issues as well


    How are your poor/homeless/fat problems going?

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquinan View Post
    Yeah cause capitalism doesn't cause issues as well


    How are your poor/homeless/fat problems going?
    Better than the average venezuelan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Blaming this on socialism? Emm, then why this does not happen in Scandinavia? Stop mixing things up.
    Also, when the Maduro is going to finally fall? Not that it would solve their problems...
    Because, Scandinavian countries still have capitalist systems that drives their economy.

  13. #33
    Good, those chunky south american asses are a bad trend anyway.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by jon234 View Post
    I'm going to have to look up more from this journalist. But I'm having trouble finding anything. When I google the name "Tyler Durden" I get two different faces and the only other materials I've been able to find though appear to be about an underground boxing club and something called "Project: Mayhem".
    “The biggest communication problem is we do not listen to understand. We listen to reply,” Stephen Covey.

  15. #35
    When I saw the phrase Maduro diet. I was like Maduros?


  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Sicari View Post
    I'm going to have to look up more from this journalist. But I'm having trouble finding anything. When I google the name "Tyler Durden" I get two different faces and the only other materials I've been able to find though appear to be about an underground boxing club and something called "Project: Mayhem".
    Have you never seen Fight Club?
    "It doesn't matter if you believe me or not but common sense doesn't really work here. You're mad, I'm mad. We're all MAD here."

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Blaming this on socialism? Emm, then why this does not happen in Scandinavia? Stop mixing things up.
    Also, when the Maduro is going to finally fall? Not that it would solve their problems...
    If anything it started with Chavez
    "The global oil boom simply allowed Venezuela, which sits on the world’s largest proven oil reserves, to mask many of the harmful effects of Chavez’s socialist economic policies. Now that oil prices have collapsed, so has Venezuela’s economic performance."

    "After Chavez’s first five years, they find that Venezuela’s income per capita was more than $3,500 below what should have been expected. Even during the subsequent oil boom, its income per capita never closed to within $2,500 of its predicted value."

    Chavez and his policies only masked the bigger problem they relied too heavily on oil and the policies he had in place for when Maduro came in place ended up combining with that and the collapse of oil to really just tank their economy hard. instead of trying to increase the income of the poor they reduced the income of the wealthy which didn't work out amongst many other things.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...uelas-problems

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Tradewind View Post
    Not even a page deep and I'm acutely aware again why this forum is fuckin' retarded.
    Yeah there's a lot of deep seated ignorance on this forum.

    OT: Not reiterating why this isn't a problem due to socialism, read up on the economic crisis if you're reading this and don't understand it.

  19. #39
    Someone should make a counter thread over North Korea and democracy.
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  20. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    Yeah there's a lot of deep seated ignorance on this forum.

    OT: Not reiterating why this isn't a problem due to socialism, read up on the economic crisis if you're reading this and don't understand it.
    It's even more amazing now with that shit article being posted twice now lol. Written by Benjamin Powell, director of the "Free Market Institute" and itself providing no direct sources. The King of Sweatshops and head of a free market think tank, surely there's no agenda at play.
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    You are a legend thats why.

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