So I killed Gul'dan tonight for first time...

[Rusque]

No, I learnt it on the spot, since I couldn't find any clear guides.

No, you got carried by other people who knew what they were doing. Frist time he casts Black Harvest would have killed enough people or straight up wiped the raid unless you magically "learned" about soaking souls before it ever happened. Same for eyes, even ignoring them for 3-4 seconds can wipe a group. Same for Storm of the Destroyer, you either saw everyone bailing and followed them or you stood there and died instantly. You also learned Flames of Sargeras within 3 seconds? (aka read the tooltip when it was applied?).

Now if you read up on the fight ahead or watched a video even if it wasn't 100% clear, then again, you didn't learn it on the spot, you had some knowledge of what to expect.

[Lord Pebbleton]

No, you got carried by other people who knew what they were doing. Frist time he casts Black Harvest would have killed enough people or straight up wiped the raid unless you magically "learned" about soaking souls before it ever happened. Same for eyes, even ignoring them for 3-4 seconds can wipe a group. Same for Storm of the Destroyer, you either saw everyone bailing and followed them or you stood there and died instantly. You also learned Flames of Sargeras within 3 seconds? (aka read the tooltip when it was applied?).

Now if you read up on the fight ahead or watched a video even if it wasn't 100% clear, then again, you didn't learn it on the spot, you had some knowledge of what to expect.

I followed another hunter and had flashbacks of the tactics that I read up before attempting it. I didn't die once, I was always where I was supposed to be, and was 4th in dps.

[meanottin]

Just try some heroic! It should be more fun for you and will need some time to progress though

[Yizu]

From a casual player's perspective, Guldan is the true final boss of WoW Legion Expansion because i'ts something that we've been building up with anticipation through major quests and cinematics. I dont consider Kil'jaden or Archimonde in that facility because they were never introduced for a setup or anticipation but rather more of a last-minute surprise. You'd also have to reach the last stage of the raids in order to experience anything directly in that nature.

Someone has never played a Final Fantasy game before.

[TheWindWalker]

My "three hours a night/twice a week/whoever shows up or gets pulled from group-finder" Normal runs still haven't gotten past Gul'dan. He's still interestingly difficult for people like me.

Welcome to the 'new' WoW. Where easy and underwhelming are the desired effect.

Man, you'd think WoW would stop being called New after... how long ago was Wrath and the easy raids? About seven years.

[TEHPALLYTANK]

for mythic its cutting edge achv not ahead of curve(which is for hc) and pretty sure they removed it for EN.

Yeah, AotC and Cutting Edge for EN were made unobtainable when NH dropped.

[Temp name]

Heroic guldan with 10-15 is harder than the first 3 on mythic really, heroic guldan with 25+ is easier than trilliax m. He doesn't scale well at all.

Saying something is easier than M Trilliax is like saying something is easier than M Xavius. They hardly count as mythic bosses

[Raiju]

Saying something is easier than M Trilliax is like saying something is easier than M Xavius. They hardly count as mythic bosses

We're comparing to heroic bosses - and there's obviously a difference between trilliax & chronomatic anomaly even if anomaly is also an easy mythic boss.

[Bapestar]

No, I learnt it on the spot, since I couldn't find any clear guides.

Hahahaha I do this too sometimes, some fights are that easy.

[shoc]

Gul'dan isn't the last boss of the expansion. He's a Thunder King level boss.

[Deleted]

Yeah but a dps check doesn't = difficulty of a fight really. That's just playing your spec right/gear.

Maintaining a high dps while handling mechanics is pretty much the entirety of anything difficult in raiding. If you were just handling mechanics and not dpsing quite literally no fight in this game is hard.

[NihilSustinet]

Yes I know Im way behind others doing mythic Nighthold and what not, but for me killing Gul'dan (normal) and getting my Nighthold tiger mount was pretty much end-game. I have little interest in harder modes. I was just so surprised how easy it was.

I am kinda underwhelmed, in past expansions I wouldn't kill the last boss for literally months. And on my first try tonight it is all done and dusted.


Thats it? Im just wondering what motivates you pro guys to play more past this point? Cheers.

killed the boss on easy mode. surprised by how easy it was. wat?

[Accendor]

"normal mode is underwhelming when i go in there with my buddies all overgearing instance on day one by 20 itlv its so easy lol lol "

do notmal at intended itlv aka whole raid group at +/-860 and then talk how "easy" stuff is

The question is why the instance is designed for 860 then when everybody is running around with 880+. Of item level requierement for hero is also too low then.

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

Yes I know Im way behind others doing mythic Nighthold and what not, but for me killing Gul'dan (normal) and getting my Nighthold tiger mount was pretty much end-game. I have little interest in harder modes. I was just so surprised how easy it was.

I am kinda underwhelmed, in past expansions I wouldn't kill the last boss for literally months. And on my first try tonight it is all done and dusted.


Thats it? Im just wondering what motivates you pro guys to play more past this point? Cheers.

You know, tuning comes and goes. Blizzard experiments and responds to feedback and changes their minds and the tuning goes up and the tuning goes down. What remains is the overall game experience, your friends in game, your position on a team, the characters you've created, and your next challenge. As long as you can find a next challenge, you like your characters, and enjoy your friends, that's plenty of reason to keep playing (for me).

As far as Gul'dan goes, I agree that normal was very mildly tuned this time around. I've killed him on my main and primary alt, both while half-understanding the fight and without being confident I was doing everything right. Still working toward my first heroic kill; we are 8/10 atm and hoping to be 10/10 by end of week.

[Emerald Archer]

Maintaining a high dps while handling mechanics is pretty much the entirety of anything difficult in raiding. If you were just handling mechanics and not dpsing quite literally no fight in this game is hard.

The mechanical side of that is where the difficulty lies. Ofc you have to handle both, but saying Chrono M is harder than Gul'dan, because you need more dps to kill Chrono, is just not right. Gul'dan is mechanically more difficult by far.

[Rotted]

Yes I know Im way behind others doing mythic Nighthold and what not, but for me killing Gul'dan (normal) and getting my Nighthold tiger mount was pretty much end-game. I have little interest in harder modes. I was just so surprised how easy it was.

I am kinda underwhelmed, in past expansions I wouldn't kill the last boss for literally months. And on my first try tonight it is all done and dusted.


Thats it? Im just wondering what motivates you pro guys to play more past this point? Cheers.

Tbh I was underwhelmed too.

We raid 3 nights a week casually, we had no real issues on launch except star caller, and we got to elisandre on night one with 10 mins to go, so called it a night. We spent the majority of the next night on her and had 30 minutes on Gul'dan. We got him to 3% on our best attempt. The last night, first attempt, down he went. I was kind of sitting there like oh thats it. To me Elisndre was the hardest boss we went against.

Also, didn't get that feeling of accomplishment when he went down, nothing like we had when Xav went down on our first kill

[deadman1]

It's fine that you don't want to play on higher difficulty, that's your prerogative, but if you are going to play on the easiest difficulty of organized raiding, don't expect it to be difficult. Sorry, but that's is why there are two more difficulty levels.

[Deleted]

What is a more serious issue than general motivation is the fact that with titanforging + mythic+ gear + legendaries many slots are already fitted with better gear than baseline heroic nighthold offers. So even when you do HC Nighthold you have to hope for more warforged/titanforged/socketed/beststats drops to even get upgrades out of it.

[Ealyssa]

"I talked to a girl for the first time last night, was ok but I don't see the point in dating or geting laid now, will just stop here"

If that's enough for your OP, it's your life, your free time.

[voidillusion]

If anyone wondered why and how the game reached this point, they should just read this thread. You got modes where you are basicly spoonfed, and you only have them because you and ppl like you never bothered to the harder content, so the devs gave you this mode. Well now you say the mode made for you, because of your unwillingness to do anything harder, is too easy. Free epics for everyone, legendarys at lvl 100 while leveling, custom fit modes, and you complain it amuses me!