Next French President Has Balls!

[Rooflesstoofless]

Many church still ask women to wear an hat or have a code for how you need to be dressed.

Also no were else in that visit she was ask to wear anything... and she knew were she was going and that they were going to ask her to wear a veil. it a none story // political stunt.

Why should a woman have to bend to the cultures of others that don't respect them. Whether she knew ahead of time or not?

[ParanoiD84]

Swedish politicians also had to wear those in iran recently, while they where there to discuss women rights among other things lol.

[Strangebrew]

Are those customs different depending on if you are a female?

Can't believe people shit on real feminism to defend some backward ass culture.

When you have one of the leaders for woman's march advocating for Sharia law, and now an actual scam artist and a person who harassed and almost destroyed the life of someone who already was struggling, what do you expect?

[Saucerian]

That picture of Michelle nearly sent soda through my nose. Schadenfreude, sorry.

On topic, good for Marine.

[zenkai]

If they visit the headpriest a.k.a the pope, then yes, they have to.

Then they have the right to turn down meeting someone for being sexist.

[Kalador]

Of course she knew! They told her beforehand, and she said she won't! They didnt cancel the meeting so she thought it's okay she won't, and they ultimately handed her the headscarf once she was in front of the meeting doors..... That's her version. She also said she met the "biggest sunni autority in the world" in Égypte last year without wearing headscarf so she do not understand the problem.

And of course it's a political stunt! She's a politician, daughter of a politician and she is in a presidential race... what do you expect? Imo it's also a mufti political stunt....... but who cares about that?

They report it as a women that refuse to wear a veil because she is so strong on her principal... when in fact it's just a fucking political stunt to make people who force women to wear hat/veil and remain silent in church cheer... sorry if i think the story as less of an impact when seen form this P.O.V...

[Sam the Wiser]

The world leader that we all deserve.

[zenkai]

you used to have to cover up when meeting the pope. so? Regardless of the purpose of the visit, you abide by the rules. Do you think you will be allowed an audience with the pope if you are wearing shorts and no shirt? No? There seems to be rules there that we find normal, yet you find it odd that meeting a religious figure from another country we can just do whatever we want?

really?

just for your information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mufti

This guys is not another priest or whatever. He is the highest authority for sunni islam in the same way the Pope is the highest religious authority for catholics. So one can follow a protocol to meet the pope but not this guys.

p-l-e-a-s-e.....

I am talking about dressed rules based on Gender, you're talking about rules in general. She has the right to turn down meeting someone that expect her to dress a certain way because she's female, why is that so hard to grasp?

[psyquest]

I am talking about dressed rules based on Gender, you're talking about rules in general. She has the right to turn down meeting someone that expect her to dress a certain way because she's female, why is that so hard to grasp?

It seems hard for you because of your special glasses. there are rules for men too... guess you didnt know that, did you?

and yes she can turn down the meeting.

[Deleted]

She's not gonna win anyway, the french are much smarter than their English allies.

[Deleted]

i'm no specialist, don't quote me on this, but it seems that the danger need to be real, immediate and unavoidable to justify self defense, especially lethal self defense. But i am talking about people here, that may not apply to a nation or a group of nation.

For a nation, i don't believe preventive genocide is justifiable. I won't go into detail on how to fight terrorism since franckly, i am no specialist, but what i think is extremist islam is an idea. You don't combat idea with guns and fighter jets. You fight an ideology with another ideology.

The ideology of freedom. Freedom of though, of religion, freedom of life. You show people there is another to live. ISIS thrive by keeping population ignorant and serving propaganda about the evil west. Bombing the population there only serve to reinforce this propaganda.

I do believe the west need to show force and retaliate against agression, but i also believe a strong effort to reach and communicate with the populition, to de-demonize the west and of course help rising the country above povertyis what would have better results on the long term.

I remember that one British or American general quelling an uprising with a clear signal: they executed most (all but one, if memory serves) guerrillas with bullets dipped in porcine blood.

These peoples understand nothing but a brutal show of overwhelming force. If you want to split hairs, they understand nothing before there is an end-of-this-shit force majeure (and this stems from a general entitlement mindset). If they're doing out of some misguided promise of paradise, DENY IT. Stamp the mere notion of it out of existence!

I did not advocate for a preventative genocide. Get over the Hitler fantasies already. I'd be content with them just not showering our countries with their problems, because even if I use colourful (stronk!) language, I am not unreasonable. I certainly try not to be.

[Kalador]

When did 2 wrongs make a right?

This story is blown out of proportion...

[Deleted]

I am talking about dressed rules based on Gender, you're talking about rules in general. She has the right to turn down meeting someone that expect her to dress a certain way because she's female, why is that so hard to grasp?

She's been the one saying that all Muslims should respect and fulfill the French culture and religion when they are in France.

She goes to Lebanon and doesn't wanna respect their culture and religion? Sounds pretty hypocrite to me. Not to mention she isn't stupid so she knew the protocol before even meeting the Mufti since it's a custom that is used for any female when they meet a mufti, it's similar to when you meet the highly placed Buddhist and Hinduism leaders, you need to be in certain robes and can't wear shoes and whatever I've missed out.

Let's not forget what this was, a pure political stunt and a pure provocation, but the French are a very tolerable population in general, and they are more likely to hate her for it.

[Deleted]

Why should a woman have to bend to the cultures of others that don't respect them. Whether she knew ahead of time or not?

it's nice if you want positive results.

you can go to a job interview unwashed and in dirty clothes if you want, but probably won't get super good results.
technically discrimination? sure. got a job/trade deal/diplomatic relations? no.

[zenkai]

It seems hard for you because of your special glasses. there are rules for men too... guess you didnt know that, did you?

and yes she can turn down the meeting.

It seems hard for you to understand I am talking about rules to pertain to one gender and not another. Example:
"You have to wear a shirt" it applies to men and women, not sexist.
"Women have to wear a dress" it applies to gender specific, therefore it's sexist and oppressive.

For fuck sakes this isn't rocket science.

[psyquest]

I remember that one British or American general quelling an uprising with a clear signal: they executed most (all but one, if memory serves) guerrillas with bullets dipped in porcine blood.

These peoples understand nothing but a brutal show of overwhelming force. If you want to split hairs, they understand nothing before there is an end-of-this-shit force majeure (and this stems from a general entitlement mindset). If they're doing out of some misguided promise of paradise, DENY IT. Stamp the mere notion of it out of existence!

I did not advocate for a preventative genocide. Get over the Hitler fantasies already. I'd be content with them just not showering our countries with their problems, because even if I use colourful (stronk!) language, I am not unreasonable. I certainly try not to be.

who are "these peoples" you mention?

and goodness did you get your pig blood idiocy from Trump?

read, http://time.com/4235405/donald-trump...muslims-story/

[TZucchini]

Yes I have.

No, you haven't. As evidenced by the most recent question about the Bar Mitzvah, which you didn't answer.

You keep asking stupid questions at that, none of which that are OT.

I'm asking questions directly related to religious headwear.

I get your sexist and think women should know their place when visiting certain cultures but I disagree.

It's obvious that someone is losing a debate when they start calling other people names. "You're sexist!"

My position is pretty clear here. Wearing a piece of fabric on your head as a sign of respect toward a religious culture is perfectly fine. If they don't want to wear the piece of fabric, that's fine too. Neither position is bold, brave, or commendable.

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"Women have to wear a dress" it applies to gender specific, therefore it's sexist and oppressive.

Now dresses and tuxedos are sexist? What the fuck?

[psyquest]

It seems hard for you to understand I am talking about rules to pertain to one gender and not another. Example:
"You have to wear a shirt" it applies to men and women, not sexist.
"Women have to wear a dress" it applies to gender specific, therefore it's sexist and oppressive.

For fuck sakes this isn't rocket science.

we are done man. dont think I can reason with your kind.

[zenkai]

You have absolutely no understanding of mannerisms or respect.

You don't go into another country and demand them to change their customs just for your own personal beliefs. This makes you no different from the radical muslims who come to the West and demand it to adapt to them. Your arguments are actually validating their opinions.

That country should respect her custom that she shouldn't have to oppressed because she's a woman. It's a 2 way street bud.

[Deleted]

They report it as a women that refuse to wear a veil because she is so strong on her principal... when in fact it's just a fucking political stunt to make people who force women to wear hat/veil and remain silent in church cheer... sorry if i think the story as less of an impact when seen form this P.O.V...

Dont be sorry. So far the biggest impact I've seen from this story is this thread....... like I said, in France it's just "good ol' Marine doing her thing as usual"....