Western culture? You mean like genocide, holocaust, colonization, chattel slavery, eugenics, race theory, communism, capitalism, corporatism, fascism, crusades, inquisition, wars over recourses, overthrowing democratically elected leaders, arming extremists, drone strikes, nuclear strikes, hunting to extinction, pollution, relentless consumption etc etc
Don't pretend our shit don't stink.
Exactly, that is also what I adressed in the other thread regarding this topic a while ago.
The votes of their core voterbase are simply not enough in such cases, and so Le Pen will - just as Hofer did - have to also get others to vote for her. Hofer managed to do so because he was somewhat "tame" for coming from the FPÖ, or at least managed to build an image that made it seem like he is. He managed to position himself somewhat as an actual alternative for those that did not want to vote for VdB.
Le Pen does not necessarily have this luxury; it is well known that she is more radical/extreme than Hofer when it comes to a lot of topics. That possibly makes her more preferable for those who lean in her direction anyway, but it makes it harder for her to also pull in the votes of centrists/conservatives.
Also, as you said, this election is not that comparable to Trump in the first place because of the difference in how the systems work. Thus, saying that Le Pen will win because Trump did too is very short-sighted.
Oh it does for sure. But one can condemn these kinds of behaviors while also condemning the negative behaviors of other cultures. I don't think too many contemporary Westerners actually engage in many of the behaviors you listed; on the other hand, engagement in certain detrimental aspects of Middle Eastern cultures is almost ubiquitous.
i dunno. france visited lebanon, presumably it was for a reason that benefits france in some way or another.
it's right next to syria and israel so i imagine open sea space, air space and pipeline agreements are something france values and that lebanon can bargain a little bit with.
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Wtf are YOU talking about..... like I said (a few time now.....) half the lebanon population is christian....
Do you know there is islamic religious court in the UK? Are you telling me everybody in the UK have to submit to those "courts" ? GTFO..... Christian dont go in front of an islamic judge to divorce. If muslims decide to submit to that shit, that's their problem. If muslim womans are forced to submit to this, this is bad on every f'ing level....
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But doesn't that result in only caring about the cultural items that affect one personally, most of the time? I mean there are certainly more things that this lady could have criticized. But she chose this one and did not send any strong message about others. Why? Dunno. Likely because doing so sends signals like 'feminist', 'has balls', 'doesn't buckle down to them muslims'. It definitely seems more like a publicity stunt to me than a thought-provoking rebellion. Which ultimately is not examining a cultural item for its intrinsic worth, just for the worth placed on it by people not directly involved.
The right wing works for women to stay at home, raising children and doing housework.
The right wing wants to deny women contraception and abortions.
The right wing wants to force women into conservative clothing.
The right wing wants to deny women the right to marry other women.
The right wing wants to raped women to blame themselves if they were drunk or dressed sexy.
I can go on, but I think I've made my point. The right (conservative!) does not want independent, strong women living their lives as they please. They want obedient, pretty girls that are able to raise a lot of children for them.
Now, you are mixing up the left here. You have the normal left, who don't want to offend anyone, including muslims when visiting their country. Then you have the radical left that punches nazies, and will like to see the muslim clergy getting eliminated as much as the far right.
Mother pus bucket!
Because these are different right?
Not to mention she's comparing herself to Michelle Obama.
Then again she wasn't pushing for woman's rights, Lebanon does not require headscarves. She was trying to excite her base with her same old Anti-Islam message she's been on about. She was even informed before hand that she would be required to wear a headscarf in front of their country's grand mufti, the highest Islam leader in the country. Instead when she was offered one she just walked back out to her vehicle. I understand that she doesn't respect their religion, but don't agree to meet with a religious leader (or use a visit walk out for political gain) if your not going to respect their traditions.Le Pen compared her refusal to wear the headscarf to the decision by former US First Lady Michelle Obama to decline wearing one during her state visit to Saudi Arabia.
Now she can play the victim card, and this will dominate the news, excite her base, and potentially overshadow her current scandal.
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I think this argument is a stretch. Which other cultural facets could she have examined? And is it possible that she did consider some other cultural obligations, but only really found this one to be objectionable? Wearing a hijab is an act that requires planning and thought, so going without one is energetically favorable. The same can be said for attending prayer. On the other hand, going out of one's way to break a tradition is energetically unfavorable; many more cultural facets fall into this category, rather than the former category.
I agree that it probably was a publicity stunt, though. Still, I think it's kind of sad that something like this is even able to be a publicity stunt. Women should not be obligated to wear hijabs if they want to step foot inside a Middle-Eastern country without being harassed.