Again, the issue here is what defines a secure job? I'd argue I have a secure job, but I could lose mine at any minute for any reason ya know? It's really hard to define a secure job. I understand what you're saying though (say a barber with no clientele is probably a lot riskier than an IT business liaison), but it isn't quite as simple as you're implying it is/
The issue here of a rainy day fund is another tough to define situation. I have 20k liquid in my rainy day fund. To me that's enough (mtg payment incl taxes/HOI is just a hair over 1k, I'm otherwise debt free). To me that's a healthy fund, but I haven't had a need to use it so I couldn't say if it was enough or not ya know? Your average mortgage requires 6 months reserves to qualify. That means you need to have liquid assets of at least 6 months to cover your back ratio (back ratio is defined as all income divided by all debt payments including your new mortgage payment (taxes/ins included). Would you say that 6 months is a fair value from a risk perspective or should that guideline be raised? Say to 1 year? 5 years? If so why?
The only people who do ARM's are typically people who know how to use the benefits of them. In my years of underwriting very few inexperienced mortgagee's buy into the allure of a low variable rate mortgage (ARM) so the rates rising piece is largely null.
The mortgage transaction itself is fairly well protected from putting people in bad situations based STRICTLY from the mortgage payment perspective. What a lot of people aren't aware of when getting a mortgage is that there are other non-debt bills one has to pay every month.
Cable, Gas, Electric, Water, Sewer, (maybe septic/well fees if you're in that situation) Phone, Internet, TV, FF14
, Food, Gasoline, Maintenance, etc. These all cost money. A lot of money sometimes, but it isn't debt so the ratios don't account for it. For reference my total utilities bill per month is roughly $300 USD, a little higher in the summer, a little lower in the winter. My utilities are roughly 30% of my mortgage payment so you can see how an uneducated borrower could miscalculate. You don't even want to see my food bill. Most people who are just buying a home have no idea what they spend on food a month, let alone things like entertainment, etc. This is before you even get to closing when most people get surprised that they need to come up with some extra cash to pay taxes in arrears, maybe they need to escrow taxes and insurance (which requires you to have 2 months in reserve sitting in an account doing absolutely nothing for you), or maybe there's just other fees they weren't completely aware of.
When you factor all of them in you can see where people get a bad situation. Me personally, I already had a budget designed and underwrote my own scenario prior to applying so I knew exactly what I was walking into.
That's not true. Banks do hire sales people, but sales people have 0 control over whether someone is approved/can afford a home. That's the underwriting department. Also no mortgage originator (a sales person) wants to put a loan in that is guaranteed to be declined (i.e. outside of your affordable realm).
Actually, that's the LAST thing banks want to do. They do not want a house on their books at all. That means that they have to sell the house for pennies on the dollar and every second it sits on their books they're losing money.
The issue in your scenario was that you and your wife were ignorant of your own financial picture and didn't understand how the mortgage transaction works. The bank will measure the risk and what you can afford based on debt. Not all expenses in this world are debt. The bank isn't going to tell you maybe you should go for a smaller house, that's a decision you need to make. The bank will tell you if you're approved for a dollar amount. You NEVER want to use all that you're given. That's a fools mistake.
For what it is worth my townhome cost me 165k. I was pre-approved up to 240k. That would have put my payment around 1,800 or so. I could easily afford that when speaking to strictly debt (i.e. car payment, student loans, mortgage payment, etc.). I probably wouldn't be shopping at whole foods anymore, or going to the movies, or thinking about buying a new car anytime soon though. it's not the banks responsibility to measure those aspects, its yours as the borrower.
Not entirely true. I covered this earlier so I'll say it again. You'll find that some of the wealthiest people have numerous mortgages across their investment properties. If they're paying 4% interest and making 20% ROI that's a HUGE gain. Remember that the cost of debt is almost always less than the cost of capital (your own money).
Let's say that you had 200k to play with. You could buy a house cash and live mortgage free. You could buy that house with a mortgage @ 4%, rent it to make a 20% ROI, then invest that 200k intelligently.
In which situation would more wealth be generated?
Now with that said I cannot discount the liberating feeling of being debt free. It truly is a wonderful thing. I enjoyed it quite a bit before buying my home (paid off car/student loans).