Not sure what else to say. If Neo Nazi's went and protested with the riot and started vandalizing things certainly they would condemn it and you wouldn't want them lumped in with the nazis. In that you're lumping the left in with Antifa and Black bloc groups who, as I've said, the left condemns. They shouldn't be expected to just stop protesting because they can't control who tries to take advantage of their protests to destroy property.
No but we haven't had a full city block destroying riots done by "the left" and their protests. It's always a small group of people (relative to the peaceful protesters) committing the crimes and the rest are lumped in with them. Not sure what they're supposed to do about that other than harsh words and some finger wags. They can't exactly stop them with force as that's illegal. Civilians anyways.
You have to admit right wing media exaggerates the extent of the damage and size of the groups of rioters.
I mean, you need a lot of people to riot. That isn't exactly causational to me that there would be riots in the city versus the rural areas.
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So, the Ferguson riots were just a few bad actors who had nothing to do with the movement? Really man?
I admit this made me laugh...
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Relative to the amount of people that were peacefully protesting, yes. As you said, criminals gonna crime. If you don't agree then so be it I'm not necessarily trying to change your mind here I'm just having a discussion.
An easier argument could just be a pissing contest on which "side" actually causes more destruction: property destruction and some bruises vs. actual deaths but I'm not arguing that since it's stupid, and not because you hand wave away somebody clearly influenced and emboldened by certain right wing rhetoric but because you can obviously dig up somebody "left wing" committing extreme acts of violence too. Whether you intended it or not you claimed violence in the left is rising, its all same old shit different day to me.
Actually, no. Not AT ALL. I have no fucking clue what you are on about. You are an EXTREMELY poor communicator, with all due respect.
When large groups of humans destroy property and disobey police, that is the very definition of a riot. Words have meanings. If you want to argue that some riots, in some situations, are justified, that is a very different matter entirely. But, that situation hasn't existed in the US for many years. We have voice here. We can vote. We can protest. We have free press. We don't need to riot to get justice, we have a fair and open society to begin with, if not one that has some faults.
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Really, like when? Name a conservative riot, and we can discuss it.
Last I checked, the overwhelming number of lives lost to genocide were at the hands of the left: Stalin, Mao, Polpot...
Your side has the ugly history, not mine.
It doesn't state it explicitly. But it doesn't have too. Communism requires the usurping of the upper class to create a classless society. And every time this has been tried: every fuckjng time; people die. There's nothing Mcarthuist about something that is a valid inference at this point.
You keep begging the question by asserting that free speech was stifled, when it was not.
I don't know why you're quoting Clinton quoting Voltaire at me. This guy's right to speak is not at question. The US has a much more generous interpretation of free speech laws than many other countries, allowing shitstains like neo-Nazis to post their beliefs in public without fear of GOVERNMENT reprisals. And there were none, and for better or worse nobody is challenging the right of neo-Nazis to post their beliefs in any kind of court battle.
Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from criticism. It doesn't even protect you from being punched for your beliefs - if it's a regular citizen punching you, that's plain old assault.
If a Bulls fan went into a Knicks crowd and started loudly telling everyone how shit he thinks their team is, and he got hit, that's not a free speech issue either. It's about as relevant as this is*.
*Disclaimer: my knowledge of US sport teams may be way off here.
Yea but lets be honest, with a lot less damage and lasting impact to the surrounding community.
Riots do millions of dollars in property damage and hold an entire city hostage more or less.
I think comparing that to a bunch of old fat white guys hold up in a refuge no body barely goes to anyhow is a bit disingenuous if we are speaking within the context of scale or even number of occurrences.
Just so we are clear, fuck both instances, but comparing them is at best an extremely weak parallel to make.
If the best cross comparison you guys can come up with is a handful of OFWG's out in the woods playing militia, I think you are not going to convince anyone of anything.
There we go, mods that like seeing people that attend to a certain ideology punched in the head.
But if its fine like that, it should be fine all the ways right? When the far right reaches power i hope it will be ok when liberals will be violently assaulted, cos in that case it wont be hit and run, it will be close, personal and upfront combat. No one will run anywhere.
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