Public Opinion on Man-Made Climate Change Has Shifted

[Allybeboba]

Climate change has been around as long as the Earth as been around.

[Greevir]

Sorry, I don't see anyone going "HURR GLOBAL WARMING" in literally every thread.

Well yeah. No one uses "HURR". It's incredibly overused and isn't even funny, ironically.

[Techno-Druid]

Is it Beijing in china that has so much smog that its like smoking a pack of cigarettes a day?

Yeah, it's pretty bad in China, to the point where people are actually getting lung cancer and it's spreading to neighboring countries (.i.e. Russia, Japan, N/S Korea). Even China, though, is trying to invest heavily in green, sustainable tech.

I wouldn't be surpised if China ends up leading the way in green tech and the US is regulated to taking a back seat due to businesses prioritizing themselves over the health of Americans and state of the Earth.

Not saying that businesses shouldn't look after themselves, but they have plenty of opportunities to reinvent themselves through investing and advancing sustainable technology.

[Orbitus]

Climate change has been around as long as the Earth as been around.

Keep making fucking stupid excuses. Doesn't change the fact that we are making it worse.

[Greevir]

Seriously though, good to see this gaining at least some traction. The question though, will enough people ever act upon global warming?

[Theodarzna]

This is the conversation we want to have and which should have started decades ago. A prerequisite to this is simply getting everyone to realize that there's a problem, though. Which is why the issue right now is just getting most people to stop denying reality.

I think it would have been better to start that "At Whose expense," discussion before even fully getting people to acknowledge it simply because it might compel people to start considering it.

A big part of the resistance is a sense that the cost will fall disproportionately on some communities whose ability to weather that cost is nonexistent.

[Torto]

This is the conversation we want to have and which should have started decades ago. A prerequisite to this is simply getting everyone to realize that there's a problem, though. Which is why the issue right now is just getting most people to stop denying reality.

Which is just socialist speak for wealth redistribution.

[Techno-Druid]

Climate change has been around as long as the Earth as been around.

Yes, but humans have been speeding up the process through the release of CO2 alongside the ongoing destruction of several major systems that control the amount of carbon in the atmosphere (.i.e. Overfishing and deforestion).

[Orbitus]

I think it would have been better to start that "At Whose expense," discussion before even fully getting people to acknowledge it simply because it might compel people to start considering it.

A big part of the resistance is a sense that the cost will fall disproportionately on some communities whose ability to weather that cost is nonexistent.

If the fossil fuel industries like coal completely disappear in favor of better energy sources such as solar and wind, then good. It deserves to die.

[Garnier Fructis]

Climate change has been around as long as the Earth as been around.

Even if we interpret this as a factual statement instead of the failed argument against current theory that it is, it's still not true if we go all the way back to planet formation.

What a load of complete and utter crap. People have woken up to this global fraud, nobody cares anymore. Do a google search on the top things people worry about and AGW isn't in the top 20.

Daily reminder that average IQ is 100 and that the IQ distribution has a slight positive skew, i.e. more than half are below 100.

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Which is just socialist speak for wealth redistribution.

Alternatively, it's 'I don't filter reality through my wallet because I'm not intellectually bankrupt'-speak.

[Techno-Druid]

Which is just socialist speak for wealth redistribution.

Are you trying to troll? Because I swear Garnier literally said nothing remotely related to any economic system whatsoever (be it capitalism or communism).

And it's not like businesses can't benefit off of green tech as they seeminglt already have.

[Garnier Fructis]

A big part of the resistance is a sense that the cost will fall disproportionately on some communities whose ability to weather that cost is nonexistent.

That's part of it. Another part of it is simply the rather successful campaign to convince people there's a big scientific controversy. Because as unfortunate as it is, people on the whole do just go with whatever they think most scientists agree on.

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Are you trying to troll? Because I swear Garnier literally said nothing remotely related to any economic system whatsoever (be it capitalism or communism).

And it's not like businesses can't benefit off of green tech as they seeminglt already have.

I don't think it's trolling. It's been made abundantly clear to me in offline conversations that a lot of the reason people reject reality is because they think that if they were wrong, then it would have impacts for their bottom line. Basically, some people really are more concerned for their pocketbook than what's right.

Which is ironic given the economic penalties we'll be forced to pay if we allow for unmitigated climate change.

[Theodarzna]

That's part of it. Another part of it is simply the rather successful campaign to convince people there's a big scientific controversy. Because as unfortunate as it is, people on the whole do just go with whatever they think most scientists agree on.

True. The campaign to discredit the whole thing was very successful in the United States especially. Though that might have been a hyper reaction to people believing the ax would fall on them. Namely the Koch brothers who I feel no real sadness they lose out. But even then other areas in general became convinced.

[GutsAP]

Why has climate change always occurred throughout history without humans?

[Theodarzna]

If the fossil fuel industries like coal completely disappear in favor of better energy sources such as solar and wind, then good. It deserves to die.

One must think about the wider web those industries belong to. The towns and villages that are centered around coal mines. It isn't as simply as putting the Koch brothers heads on pikes and being done with it.

[Mormolyce]

Which is just socialist speak for wealth redistribution.

So when the government uses taxpayer funds for repairing levees, is that wealth redistribution?

[May90]

That simply proves the rule "Say something 1000 times, and somebody is bound to believe it".

[Garnier Fructis]

Why has climate change always occurred throughout history without humans?

Because climate change has more than one cause. Just like almost everything in life.

[Torto]

I don't think it's trolling. It's been made abundantly clear to me in offline conversations that a lot of the reason people reject reality is because they think that if they were wrong, then it would have impacts for their bottom line. Basically, some people really are more concerned for their pocketbook than what's right.

Which is ironic given the economic penalties we'll be forced to pay if we allow for unmitigated climate change.

I'll ignore the breathtaking condescension for the moment. Even if I was to accept your chosen reality and believe evil humans are responsible, does it matter? Do you seriously believe that if we cut carbon emissions (a natural element and a vital building block for life btw) the planet will somehow magically stop warming? If we all go back to the stone age does the earth stop heating up?

No, better to blame industrialised countries so we can funnel money to third world countries in compensation for evilly warming the planet. That's the only reason the left has latched onto this farce.

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So when the government uses taxpayer funds for repairing levees, is that wealth redistribution?

It is if the levees are located in a third world country and the UN tells you its your fault because you turned the lights on and drove a car to work.

[Greevir]

Because climate change has more than one cause. Just like almost everything in life.

Yup, humans just speed it up. Like, a lot.