Will we have to abort the azeroth titan?

[Amnasty]

quite a bit of head canon you got there.

Did you read Chronicle... its in there.

[Aucald]

[Spoilers] question about the chronicles story.
It's too late. Azeroth will never wake up. He was the Titan's last hope.
...But a bit of his spirit dwells within every hero of Azeroth, every mage who picked up a wand, every warrior who took up a blade, every champion from any world who took root in Azeroth and decided to defend it as their home. We mortals are all that stands between the Light and oblivion, but so long as this world is our home we're lit from within by the heroic spirit of a dormant Titan.
EDIT: Wow, this blew up! I was just adding some color to the chronicle, not adding any lore with that comment. It's a reddit post, not canon. The Chronicle is meant to be interpreted and enjoyed as you will!. (Dave Kosak)

This utterance by Kosak is not exactly canon (as he himself states) - he more implies that the events of WoW are in a timeframe where the Azeroth world-soul will remain dormant as its role is to empower the mortal denizens of the world and not to be realized as a Titan itself. It is a future possibility but not one that is going to be explored in the current game universe.

[Amnasty]

[Spoilers] question about the chronicles story.
It's too late. Azeroth will never wake up. He was the Titan's last hope.
...But a bit of his spirit dwells within every hero of Azeroth, every mage who picked up a wand, every warrior who took up a blade, every champion from any world who took root in Azeroth and decided to defend it as their home.
We mortals are all that stands between the Light and oblivion, but so long as this world is our home we're lit from within by the heroic spirit of a dormant Titan.
EDIT: Wow, this blew up! I was just adding some color to the chronicle, not adding any lore with that comment. It's a reddit post, not canon. The Chronicle is meant to be interpreted and enjoyed as you will!. (Dave Kosak)

This utterance by Kosak is not exactly canon (as he himself states) - he more implies that the events of WoW are in a timeframe where the Azeroth world-soul will remain dormant as its role is to empower the mortal denizens of the world and not to be realized as a Titan itself. It is a future possibility but not one that is going to be explored in the current game universe.

@Fincayra ...... nah bruv...he says what i just said was head cannon.. a dev must not agree with me in this blue post.. also



To be clear... there are 6 elements... in Chronicle... it is stated that the element of spirit is what Ordered and Passified the elements on other plants... however... Azeroth was unique in the fact she produced more of elemental spirit...but also consumed it.. empowering herself... and leaving the elements to rage across her surface.

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Y%27Shaarj
Before the ordering of Azeroth
Y'Shaarj was the most powerful of the four Old Gods to plummet into Azeroth from the Great Dark Beyond, and the greatest bastion of the Black Empire was built around its gargantuan bulk.[2]

When the godlike titans arrived to shape and order Azeroth, they created the titan-forged to battle the Old Gods and their enslaved elemental servants. Though the titan-forged were successful in defeating and imprisoning the Elemental Lords, the titans realized that Y'Shaarj would prove too great a challenge for them; as the titan-forged approached the temple city that lay at the heart of the Black Empire, Y'Shaarj twisted their thoughts and drew out their darkest emotions. Thus, Aman'Thul, the Highfather himself, reached down through Azeroth's skies and heaved the Old God from the surface of the world. In that moment, the massive bulk of the Old One was ripped apart, and its deathrattle caused entire mountains to shatter and hundreds of titan-forged to be instantly obliterated where they stood.[5]

Aman'Thul had inadvertently ripped open a wound in Azeroth's surface, and the world-soul's arcane lifeblood flowed to the surface. It was then that the Pantheon realized that the Old Gods had entrenched themselves too deep to excise without destroying Azeroth itself, and instead they resolved to imprison the remaining three Old Gods rather than killing them outright.[5]
@Fincayra shall i stop here or do you not feel crunchy enough yet?

[Fincayra]

@Fincayra ...... nah bruv...he says what i just said was head cannon.. a dev must not agree with me in this blue post.. also

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To be clear... there are 6 elements... in Chronicle... it is stated that the element of spirit is what Ordered and Passified the elements on other plants... however... Azeroth was unique in the fact she produced more of elemental spirit...but also consumed it.. empowering herself... and leaving the elements to rage across her surface.

The part about spirit elementals is canon to chronicle, but the fact that the well of eternity is a "mortal wound" and she won't mature as a result of it is head canon. I've read Chronicle backwards and forwards. there's no mention of her not being able to mature as a result of it. In fact, the titans did their damnedest to contain and control the wound when they were Ordering Azeroth.

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Azeroth will materialize, the map will be erased, the various class halls will be left in memory of Azeroth's champions but otherwise we will have to leave either through the dark portal or with our Arcadia- Captain Harlock like spaceships trying to settle in a new home

[Amnasty]

The part about spirit elementals is canon to chronicle, but the fact that the well of eternity is a "mortal wound" and she won't mature as a result of it is head canon. I've read Chronicle backwards and forwards. there's no mention of her not being able to mature as a result of it. In fact, the titans did their damnedest to contain and control the wound when they were Ordering Azeroth.

Then my dear boy your reading comprehension is piss poor, id take a picture for you, but my friend has my book as hes buffing up before chronicle 2. I forget what chapter but is clearly states it. She lacks the power to, while she is conscious and speak *to Magni, also cannon* she can not and will not become a titan.

Ill search to see if someone has the paragraph posted. Since it seems i need to spell the shit out for you since you dont read not so very good derp.

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@Finzayra it is in the Black Empire Chapter

There an overview of the chapter but the book goes into detail while Azeroth cant mature.

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Azeroth_(titan)

The Black Empire
Azeroth's elementals are extremely violent and chaotic, because as its world-soul developed, it consumed much of the Spirit energy of the planet, which nourishes the elements.[2]

One day, as the titan Aggramar was wandering in the Great Dark Beyond, he heard the tranquil dreams of the most powerful world-soul the Pantheon had ever encountered, one they would later name Azeroth. To his horror, he discovered that the planet had already been claimed by the Old Gods, though the defenseless world-soul within remained as yet untouched. After Aggramar and Eonar convinced their brethren to save Azeroth from corruption, the Pantheon crafted the titan-forged to do battle against the Old Gods, before eventually imprisoning them deep beneath the surface of the planet.[3]

The destruction of the Old God Y'Shaarj, who was pulled from the surface of the planet by Aman'Thul, caused the nascent titan to bleed out. Her bleeding would be halted with magical wards by the Keepers, and the immense lake left behind when the tumultuous arcane energies calmed became known as the Well of Eternity.[4]

[Fincayra]

Then my dear boy your reading comprehension is piss poor, id take a picture for you, but my friend has my book as hes buffing up before chronicle 2. I forget what chapter but is clearly states it. She lacks the power to, while she is conscious and speak *to Magni, also cannon* she can not and will not become a titan.

Ill search to see if someone has the paragraph posted. Since it seems i need to spell the shit out for you since you dont read not so very good derp.

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@Finzayra it is in the Black Empire Chapter

There an overview of the chapter but the book goes into detail while Azeroth cant mature.

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Azeroth_(titan)

The Black Empire
Azeroth's elementals are extremely violent and chaotic, because as its world-soul developed, it consumed much of the Spirit energy of the planet, which nourishes the elements.[2]

One day, as the titan Aggramar was wandering in the Great Dark Beyond, he heard the tranquil dreams of the most powerful world-soul the Pantheon had ever encountered, one they would later name Azeroth. To his horror, he discovered that the planet had already been claimed by the Old Gods, though the defenseless world-soul within remained as yet untouched. After Aggramar and Eonar convinced their brethren to save Azeroth from corruption, the Pantheon crafted the titan-forged to do battle against the Old Gods, before eventually imprisoning them deep beneath the surface of the planet.[3]

The destruction of the Old God Y'Shaarj, who was pulled from the surface of the planet by Aman'Thul, caused the nascent titan to bleed out. Her bleeding would be halted with magical wards by the Keepers, and the immense lake left behind when the tumultuous arcane energies calmed became known as the Well of Eternity.[4]

Yes, you just posted the parts specific to the ordering of Azeroth. But, you still failed to point to the part where it specifically states Azeroth will never mature. They put out immense effort after excising and imprisoning the Old God corruption on Azeroth to stabilize her wound. She stopped bleeding. The pool that exists is her lifeblood, but it is not mortal anymore. They stopped it. You mentioned earlier how we are steeped in her spirit, and to a certain extent that is true. The native races of Azeroth are all titan forged, with the exception of the trolls. Weakened by the curse of flesh, a man is still just a man. We have strengthened ourselves through pure courage, which can probably be linked to the spirit Azeroth possesses. We have additionally strengthened ourselves through the use of arcane magic, which is what the Well of Eternity contained. The Legion would have never found Azeroth (until much farther in the future) if it wasn't for the night elves recklessly experimenting with the magic contained in the Well of Eternity. ideally the Titans should have formed a "scab" of land above the Well to disguise it from the future mortal races, but they did not foresee the curse of flesh. They did not foresee the mutating of trolls into night elves. They figured Azeroth would be a typical (albeit very strong) Titan, and would mature with time. They departed with brand new vigor to find more world souls to nurture into future Titans. The wording in Chronicle makes it seem they had been discouraged about finding more future Titans after the debacle with Sargeras destroying one.

In short, they did everything in their power to stabilize Azeroth and protect it from the old gods that still dwelled under her surface. WE have killed two of those old Gods. The third one will most certainly die at some point in the future, meaning we only need to stall the Legion from summoning Sargeras to Azeroth. How the fuck we're gonna be doing that will probably be revealed in the Argus patch in Legion, but I still don't know what they have planned. I sure hope it's good!

You're referring to the pre Legion scenario where we learn IN GAME that Azeroth is a Titan and that the Pillars of Creation exist and will help us with the coming war. http://www.wowhead.com/quest=42970/the-diamond-king . One of the posts on this page details the text of the scenario where we escort Magni through Ulduar. Again, he makes no mention of Azeroth being unable to mature as a titan. Look, I agree it's a good idea, and one that would probably have been preferrable. But, until you can provide me with a passage from Chronicle that proves it, it's not canon to Warcraft. Azeroth being unable to mature also leads us down a path of future empowerment as avatars of a Titan, who could en masse be able to combat Sargeras. But, lore as it is right now is us trying to prevent the legion from summoning Sargeras to Azeroth. he's like the lazy ass mage in dalaran who wants a summon to raid, even though he could easily get there himself if he just got off his ass and made the journey. It's been over 10,000 years since he discovered Azeroth. More than likely he would have gotten here by now if he had actually done the journey, instead of trying all this bullshit corrupting races and attempting to kill just the mortals on its surface.

[Amnasty]

Yes, you just posted the parts specific to the ordering of Azeroth. But, you still failed to point to the part where it specifically states Azeroth will never mature. They put out immense effort after excising and imprisoning the Old God corruption on Azeroth to stabilize her wound. She stopped bleeding. The pool that exists is her lifeblood, but it is not mortal anymore. They stopped it. You mentioned earlier how we are steeped in her spirit, and to a certain extent that is true. The native races of Azeroth are all titan forged, with the exception of the trolls. Weakened by the curse of flesh, a man is still just a man. We have strengthened ourselves through pure courage, which can probably be linked to the spirit Azeroth possesses. We have additionally strengthened ourselves through the use of arcane magic, which is what the Well of Eternity contained. The Legion would have never found Azeroth (until much farther in the future) if it wasn't for the night elves recklessly experimenting with the magic contained in the Well of Eternity. ideally the Titans should have formed a "scab" of land above the Well to disguise it from the future mortal races, but they did not foresee the curse of flesh. They did not foresee the mutating of trolls into night elves. They figured Azeroth would be a typical (albeit very strong) Titan, and would mature with time. They departed with brand new vigor to find more world souls to nurture into future Titans. The wording in Chronicle makes it seem they had been discouraged about finding more future Titans after the debacle with Sargeras destroying one.

In short, they did everything in their power to stabilize Azeroth and protect it from the old gods that still dwelled under her surface. WE have killed two of those old Gods. The third one will most certainly die at some point in the future, meaning we only need to stall the Legion from summoning Sargeras to Azeroth. How the fuck we're gonna be doing that will probably be revealed in the Argus patch in Legion, but I still don't know what they have planned. I sure hope it's good!

You're referring to the pre Legion scenario where we learn IN GAME that Azeroth is a Titan and that the Pillars of Creation exist and will help us with the coming war. http://www.wowhead.com/quest=42970/the-diamond-king . One of the posts on this page details the text of the scenario where we escort Magni through Ulduar. Again, he makes no mention of Azeroth being unable to mature as a titan. Look, I agree it's a good idea, and one that would probably have been preferrable. But, until you can provide me with a passage from Chronicle that proves it, it's not canon to Warcraft. Azeroth being unable to mature also leads us down a path of future empowerment as avatars of a Titan, who could en masse be able to combat Sargeras. But, lore as it is right now is us trying to prevent the legion from summoning Sargeras to Azeroth. he's like the lazy ass mage in dalaran who wants a summon to raid, even though he could easily get there himself if he just got off his ass and made the journey. It's been over 10,000 years since he discovered Azeroth. More than likely he would have gotten here by now if he had actually done the journey, instead of trying all this bullshit corrupting races and attempting to kill just the mortals on its surface.

Its mind blowing how wrong you are....typical world soul?!?!?!? From the beginning they knew Azeroth was the strongest, even more powerful then sargaras, they believed she alone could wipe out the titans. I'll get the paragraph for you, but Jesus christ it's like you didn't read the book at all.

[Fincayra]

Its mind blowing how wrong you are....typical world soul?!?!?!? From the beginning they knew Azeroth was the strongest, even more powerful then sargaras, they believed she alone could wipe out the titans. I'll get the paragraph for you, but Jesus christ it's like you didn't read the book at all.

you know, besides having it right beside me, in fact leaning against my leg, and knowing plenty about it and including it in my post.... You're the one who failed to back up your claims with evidence here. Don't get mad because you don't have evidence for your head-canon.

[Aquamonkey]

Are we sure she is not corrupt already?

Azeroth is only partially corrupted.

"Analysis complete. There is partial corruption in the planet's life-support systems as well as complete corruption in most of the planet's defense mechanisms."

Could you show the source that states it at all? Would be interesting to see the explanation as to why.

The lead story guy posted it around Chronicle release, I didn't save a link to it.

Kosak said it, but it's not canon.

It's too late. Azeroth will never wake up. He was the Titan's last hope.

...But a bit of his spirit dwells within every hero of Azeroth, every mage who picked up a wand, every warrior who took up a blade, every champion from any world who took root in Azeroth and decided to defend it as their home.

We mortals are all that stands between the Light and oblivion, but so long as this world is our home we're lit from within by the heroic spirit of a dormant Titan.

EDIT: Wow, this blew up! I was just adding some color to the chronicle, not adding any lore with that comment. It's a reddit post, not canon. The Chronicle is meant to be interpreted and enjoyed as you will! (Source)

I don't get the point to stating that then. Why is Legion or Sargeras bothering then if the world soul is forever dormant? Poses no threat surely.

Just because Azeroth won't wake up to be a normal titan doesn't mean it can't be corrupted and awoken into a dark titan for the void lords.

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There an overview of the chapter but the book goes into detail while Azeroth cant mature.

The entire point of the Pantheon ordering Azeroth was to help it mature. It's stated very clearly in Chronicle when they left.

With that, the Pantheon bade the titan-forged farewell and disappeared into the stars. The titans had done everything possible to heal Azeroth and assure the world-soul's maturation. All that remained now was to wait—and hope that the world-soul would one day awaken.
--Chronicle Vol. 1, p. 42

[Funky Kong]

Why does everyone assume the planet must be destroyed in order for the Titan to emerge? A newly born Titan doesn't necessarily need to be planet-sized, or even manifest as a physical object

[Aquamonkey]

Why does everyone assume the planet must be destroyed in order for the Titan to emerge? A newly born Titan doesn't necessarily need to be planet-sized, or even manifest as a physical object

The titans are colossal godlike beings composed of the primordial matter from which the universe was born. They roam the cosmos like walking worlds...
When the titans finally awoke, they did so as living worlds. Cosmic winds howled across their gigantic forms, bodies shrouded in a cloak of stardust, skin crisscrossed with silvery mountain peaks and oceans shimmering with latent magic.
--Chronicle V1

[Funky Kong]

The titans are colossal godlike beings composed of the primordial matter from which the universe was born. They roam the cosmos like walking worlds...
When the titans finally awoke, they did so as living worlds. Cosmic winds howled across their gigantic forms, bodies shrouded in a cloak of stardust, skin crisscrossed with silvery mountain peaks and oceans shimmering with latent magic.
--Chronicle V1

The artwork for them doesn't make them look anything like a planet. Not so sure chronicle meant that they are literally spherical planets with arms and legs...

[Aucald]

The artwork for them doesn't make them look anything like a planet. Not so sure chronicle meant that they are literally spherical planets with arms and legs...

The main assumption is that when a nascent Titan world-soul is "born" it uses the substance of its host world to form a body for itself - the details of them being covered with mountains, oceans, and landmasses enfolded and enshrouded with Arcane essence. If this is the case then Azeroth becoming a Titan would spell the end of Azeroth the planet, but it remains possible that the planet's lifeforms could still exist on the surface of the Titan in some manner. This is all supposition, of course; we've no idea about the specifics of how a Titan is formed and what mechanisms are involved for a world-soul to become a fully realized Titan. Since magic is obviously involved the substance of a Titan could essentially come from nothing at all - or it could arise from the substance of the Emerald Dream and leave a now vacant planetoid in its wake.

[Funky Kong]

Maybe we'll reclaim Argus eventually and call that our new home?

[Aucald]

Maybe we'll reclaim Argus eventually and call that our new home?

I don't think there's enough left of Argus to be a viable home for the mortal races of Azeroth - and given the level of its Fel corruption it probably wouldn't be a safe place to reside for multiple generations if at all.

[iamthedevil]

We all turn into the Azeroth as a titan. Just like the Megazord, of course.

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Maybe we'll reclaim Argus eventually and call that our new home?

Fel is like radioactivity. Nobody wants to be around it that long. As well as the fact that the plant is shattered, as per the Blizzcon picture.

[Maxilian]

Well we don't know if its possible to have the Titan "aborted" without destroying the whole planet in the process, i think... a Titan abortion would look something like this:


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I don't think there's enough left of Argus to be a viable home for the mortal races of Azeroth - and given the level of its Fel corruption it probably wouldn't be a safe place to reside for multiple generations if at all.

If its shattered, the Burning Legion may have a way to solve the "Outland problem" (that the pieces of land will just, eventually, drift away and be forever lost or destroyed in the Great Dark Beyond), so we could use their tactics to "reform" Outland or just evade the complete destruction of Outland (or the lost of it)

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The main assumption is that when a nascent Titan world-soul is "born" it uses the substance of its host world to form a body for itself - the details of them being covered with mountains, oceans, and landmasses enfolded and enshrouded with Arcane essence. If this is the case then Azeroth becoming a Titan would spell the end of Azeroth the planet, but it remains possible that the planet's lifeforms could still exist on the surface of the Titan in some manner. This is all supposition, of course; we've no idea about the specifics of how a Titan is formed and what mechanisms are involved for a world-soul to become a fully realized Titan. Since magic is obviously involved the substance of a Titan could essentially come from nothing at all - or it could arise from the substance of the Emerald Dream and leave a now vacant planetoid in its wake.

Or we could work as the cells of the Titan (The Army of Light becomes the Immune system of the Titan :P)

[Aquamonkey]

If its shattered, the Burning Legion may have a way to solve the "Outland problem" (that the pieces of land will just, eventually, drift away and be forever lost or destroyed in the Great Dark Beyond), so we could use their tactics to "reform" Outland or just evade the complete destruction of Outland (or the lost of it)

The pieces wouldn't just float off into interstellar space, they would more or less just keep orbiting their parent star (just in different positions or fall into the star/crash into other planets).

[Maxilian]

The pieces wouldn't just float off into interstellar space, they would more or less just keep orbiting their parent star (just in different positions or fall into the star/crash into other planets).

Well... but in the end, be destroyed one way or the other, the Legion, having a planet that is also basically destroyed like Outland, as their main stronghold, may have created a way to evade those lands to eventually crumble or just crash into another stellar thing)

Note: Actually we know that Outland is constantly degrading, so maybe we could, somehow stop that process

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Quest:The_S...chmage_Vargoth