Over 2000 guilds stuck at 3/10 mythic, was tuning 7 bosses to 54 traits a mistake?

[Khorm]

See the Trilliax kills, see the Krosus kills?

[Deleted]

Those percentages don't answer my question. That few people are at the top of progression I am not curious about. I'm wondering where he saw 2000 guilds stuck at 3/10M. THAT is what I am not seeing. What I am seeing is ~59 guild at 3/10M thats a far cry from 2000. Looking at the guilds in the top 500 the spread looks pretty standard.

3079 guilds have killed Trilliax. 1035 guilds have killed Krosus. 3079-1035=2044

Of course not all guilds went to Krosus after Trilliax. But I think that about 2000 guilds at 3/10M is correct.

[Coldvibes]

but guys wow is such an easy game now, mythic guldan was killed in two lockouts

[callipygoustp]

3079 guilds have killed Trilliax. 1035 guilds have killed Krosus. 3079-1035=2044

Of course not all guilds went to Krosus after Trilliax. But I think that about 2000 guilds at 3/10M is correct.

Wowprogress states that only 59 guilds are at 3/10M. 550 guilds are at 4+/10M. Your math definitely doesn't match with what wowprogress shows.

[Emerald Archer]

3079 guilds have killed Trilliax. 1035 guilds have killed Krosus. 3079-1035=2044

Of course not all guilds went to Krosus after Trilliax. But I think that about 2000 guilds at 3/10M is correct.

A huge amount of guilds did not go to krosus after trilliax because they didn't have the dps. A lot went Botanist and Tich. Would be like 1500ish possibly lower.

[Lashin]

Those percentages don't answer my question. That few people are at the top of progression I am not curious about. I'm wondering where he saw 2000 guilds stuck at 3/10M. THAT is what I am not seeing. What I am seeing is ~59 guild at 3/10M thats a far cry from 2000. Looking at the guilds in the top 500 the spread looks pretty standard.

3079-1015=2064
Simple mathematics.
(krosus because it has the most kills after trilliax)

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

It's only a problem if, by the time the next major raid launches, they are still stuck.

[callipygoustp]

3079-1015=2064
Simple mathematics.
(krosus because it has the most kills after trilliax)

You're posting kill numbers for only two bosses. That's irrelevant.

Wowprogress shows only 59 guilds at 3/10M. Is wowprogress posting bad info? 59 is a far cry from 2000 guild stuck at 3/10M. Again, your math does not match what wowprogress shows.

[xcess]

Surprised so many mythic raiders dont have 54 by now?

[Lashin]

You're posting kill numbers for only two bosses. That's irrelevant.

Wowprogress shows only 59 guilds at 3/10M. Is wowprogress posting bad info? 59 is a far cry from 2000 guild stuck at 3/10M. Again, your math does not match what wowprogress shows.

Over 3000 guilds killed Trilliax. Slightly over 1000 guilds killed krosus(which is the easiest boss mechanically after first 3) and the gap here between those numbers are guilds stuck at 3/10. Probably lower than that due to boss preference for guilds that don't meet dps requirements. Still about 2000 guilds just 3/10.

Where do you even get 59 anyway?

[urw]

You're posting kill numbers for only two bosses. That's irrelevant.

Wowprogress shows only 59 guilds at 3/10M. Is wowprogress posting bad info? 59 is a far cry from 2000 guild stuck at 3/10M. Again, your math does not match what wowprogress shows.

Check the other guilds that have 2/3 3/10, 1/3 3/10 0/3 3/10 etc, not only 3/3 3/10 ( full clear of TOV ).
You will find your 2000 guilds.

[callipygoustp]

Ok, did some more filtering of results and I think I figured out where this 2000 number is coming from. If you take into consideration guilds who are not 3/3M in ToV, guilds that are not progression level guilds, there are ~1500 guilds who are <3/3M ToV that are at 3/10M Nighthold. I was, initially, filtering for progression only guilds. For anyone, at this point, that isn't 3/3 ToV gear isn't the problem.

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Over 3000 guilds killed Trilliax. Slightly over 1000 guilds killed krosus(which is the easiest boss mechanically after first 3) and the gap here between those numbers are guilds stuck at 3/10. Probably lower than that due to boss preference for guilds that don't meet dps requirements. Still about 2000 guilds just 3/10.

Where do you even get 59 anyway?

Filtering progression only guilds. Meaning 7/7M 3/3M 3+/10M.

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Check the other guilds that have 2/3 3/10, not only 3/3 3/10.
You will find your 2000 guilds.

Yep, just did that. Cleared things up a bit.

[Deleted]

You're posting kill numbers for only two bosses. That's irrelevant.

Wowprogress shows only 59 guilds at 3/10M. Is wowprogress posting bad info? 59 is a far cry from 2000 guild stuck at 3/10M. Again, your math does not match what wowprogress shows.

Guilds stucks at 3/10 from position 552 to 610 AND from position 1152 to 2139 AND from position 2141 to ...

[Deleted]

Wowprogress shows only 59 guilds at 3/10M.

Yes, only about 59 are 7/7M (M) 3/3 (M) 3/10 (M)

However if you count all X/X (Y) X/X (Y) 3/10 (M) you may find a bigger number.

For example US-Zul'jin guild Systematic is 7/7 (M) 3/3 (H) 3/10 (M)

[callipygoustp]

Yes, only about 59 are 7/7M (M) 3/3 (M) 3/10 (M)

However if you count all X/X (Y) X/X (Y) 3/10 (M) you may find a bigger number.

For example US-Zul'jin guild Systematic is 7/7 (M) 3/3 (H) 3/10 (M)

Yep, I got it now : non-progression level guilds were being factored into the equation.

[Unidus]

One problem I have seen is the 20 player requirement and it's almost impossible now for one of your DPS to switch to heals/tank without gimping the raid. It used to be you could play 2 specs or an alt when needed but with legis and AP you can't unless you play 24/7.

[Deleted]

Yep, I got it now : non-progression level guilds were being factored into the equation.

Who are you to decide who should be factored in ?

[Laqweeta]

If WoW becomes difficult, Blizzard better nerf it or people will unsubscribe.

[Temp name]

54 traits are absolutely needed to make the dps check for any boss beyond trilliax. Pretty much every boss after Trilliax is actually a dps check, once u have all you need from the 1st 3 bosses and farming trash, the only way up is with wep traits...

Not really. I'm at 52 and my guild just killed Krosus (I topped boss damage), and we had to make do with some guy with 30-something traits too because we're low on people

[callipygoustp]

Who are you to decide who should be factored in ?

LOL, settle down tough guy. I didn't decide, nor am I dictating, who should be factored in. I thought the discussion was about progression level guilds and going by that and my own bias I was looking at 7/7M 3/3M and 3+/10M. I don't consider any guild that hasn't completed a previous raid instance before a new raid instance comes out to be a progression level guild. That's what I am used to but I certainly don't expect everyone else to feel the same. Really, whether others do the same or not, I don't care.

The only reason I ducked into this thread was I was a bit surprised by the title: 2000 guilds stuck at 3/10M. The title sounded pretty implausible. Now that I understand the filter behind the number all is well, for me at least.