Debunking Malmo Sweden's "Rape Issues"

[Stacyrect]

The whole site discredits itself on the front page. There is no point whatsoever in reading, quoting or believing anything they post. Sensationalists tend to exaggerate and take things out of context.
If you can present a credible source however, that's a different story. But that is rarely the case for right-wing propaganda because it foots on preaching hate, fear and lies.

I see. So if I'm understanding you correctly, you are suggesting their are conspiracy theories and a 'narrative' on the front page that don't correspond with your beliefs. Thus, everything in the article (which isn't the front page click bait) is clearly a conspiracy theory. The videos, pictures, all the site links, statements, all fantasy. Seems legit

[Karfal]

That's because police there don't report refugee crimes to prevent local people from claiming "see??? get them out of here"

That's just socialist governments doing their thing.

[Dezerte]

Anyone notice how that graph doesnt have 2016 rape stats on it? ITS BECAUSE IT WENT UP. 2016 was slightly above 2014.

http://www.thelocal.se/20170112/swed...stats-analyzed


According to Brå's figures, 10,500 incidents of sexual molestation were reported in the country in 2016 – a striking increase of 20 percent on 2015 (when 8,840 were reported).


Those god damn facts!!! BUT THEY WENT DOWN IN 2015!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! L-o-L

From the same source you just linked, so you at least can't claim that it's "fake news".

http://www.thelocal.se/20170221/why-...l-of-the-world

We know from all of the above that comparing rape statistics between countries is an error-prone process, but what about the other argument often put forward: that there has been a "dramatic rise in sexual crime" in Sweden caused by its intake of refugees?

Again, it doesn't ring true, and this time because the numbers don't add up. According to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå), the number of rapes reported annually in the country per 100,000 citizens has been relatively steady for almost a decade.
In 2016 there were 67 reported rapes per 100,000 people, 60 in 2015, 69 in 2014, 63 in 2013, 66 in 2012, 69 in 2011, 64 in 2010 and 2009, 59 in 2008 and 52 in 2007.

Those figures show there was actually a 12 percent dip in the number of rapes reported in Sweden in 2015 – the year the country received a record 163,000 asylum applications, at the peak of the refugee crisis. The figures for 2016 are preliminary.

[Heltoray]

I see. So if I'm understanding you correctly, you are suggesting their are conspiracy theories and a 'narrative' on the front page that don't correspond with your beliefs. Thus, everything in the article (which isn't the front page click bait) is clearly a conspiracy theory. The videos, pictures, all the site links, statements, all fantasy. Seems legit

No I'm saying just what I said, stop twisting my words. This "news" site posted utter bullshit on the front page. A single piece of ridiculous bullshit is enough for me to not trust anything they write. Much like Trump bullshitting all the time should be enough to not trust anything he says. Everything else is pretty naive and you have a good chance to parrot bullshit. I have seen enough right-wing "fake news" to know better.
Hoaxmap covers a lot of things that were considerd "news" by people btw.

[Karfal]

From the same source you just linked, so you at least can't claim that it's "fake news".

http://www.thelocal.se/20170221/why-...l-of-the-world

Ya youre right. Invite some refugee's into your house, of the male variety 20-30 years old. See what happens to your wife, daughter, mother whoever.

[Stacyrect]

No I'm saying just what I said, stop twisting my words. This "news" site posted utter bullshit on the front page. A single piece of ridiculous bullshit is enough for me to not trust anything they write. Much like Trump bullshitting all the time should be enough to not trust anything he says. Everything else is pretty naive and you have a good chance to parrot bullshit. I have seen enough right-wing "fake news" to know better.
Hoaxmap covers a lot of things that were considerd "news" by people btw.

What does the front page have to do with the article? If you are gonna stamp your feet like a 4 a year old because we aren't discussing a link from a liberal echo chamber, do us both a favor and don't bother replying.

[Deleted]

When people quote this sort of bullshit news sites, it actually makes me angry. How in the world can a person not see what an utter piece of shit this "news" page is? It takes me 5 seconds on the front page to realize that. Is that really where we have to start, educating people that sources with conspiracy shit on the front page aren't real sources?

It's because big news conglomorates refuse to write about everyday events that are increasingly occuring. I realise this sounds full tinfoil hat mode, but emperic evidence with immigrants in my own country combined the increased numbers swedes have taken in (topped with actual reports of incidents; http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...trump-fox-news , http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...-violent-crime) leads me to think there is cause for concern.

Just because you didnt read it on cnn doesnt mean it's not happening. I hate to think in all this conspiracy bullshit but the simple fact is that news agencies will avoid covering fully and truthfully about people and events that dont fit their narratives. You see this with people like putin (who is purposefully placed in a bad light) and 'populists' like le penn/wilders/farage. So my suggestion to you is maybe spend more than 5 seconds looking and then think for yourself. Because your dismissive attitude towards everything not big time media is disturbing.

on a related note, I can easily see how everyone will start shouting fake news at everything soon. Which is a little troubling

[pfbe]

From the same source you just linked, so you at least can't claim that it's "fake news".

http://www.thelocal.se/20170221/why-...l-of-the-world

Those figures show there was actually a 12 percent dip in the number of rapes reported in Sweden in 2015 – the year the country received a record 163,000 asylum applications, at the peak of the refugee crisis. The figures for 2016 are preliminary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...-28_(2015).png
Check the months when the applications spiked.
Some of those applications were then accepted
Then those people settled into Sweden.
Then the rapists among them got to raping.
And only then the rapes were reported, investigated, processed and put into the statistics... of 2016, which saw an 11% spike compared to 2015.

It does not pay to selectively gerrymander data, it only hurts the people who are put in danger of being raped

[Deleted]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...-28_(2015).png
Check the months when the applications spiked.
Some of those applications were then accepted
Then those people settled into Sweden.
Then the rapists among them got to raping.
And only then the rapes were reported, investigated, processed and put into the statistics... of 2016, which saw an 11% spike compared to 2015.

It does not pay to selectively gerrymander data, it only hurts the people who are put in danger of being raped

It does surprise me how all these so called statisticians seem unable to read into statistics...

It is indeed a very dangerous mindset to look at one thing and go "Welp guess it is fine, nothing to see here!"

[Heltoray]

It's because big news conglomorates refuse to write about everyday events that are increasingly occuring. I realise this sounds full tinfoil hat mode, but emperic evidence with immigrants in my own country combined the increased numbers swedes have taken in (topped with actual reports of incidents; http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...trump-fox-news , http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...-violent-crime) leads me to think there is cause for concern.

Just because you didnt read it on cnn doesnt mean it's not happening. I hate to think in all this conspiracy bullshit but the simple fact is that news agencies will avoid covering fully and truthfully about people and events that dont fit their narratives. You see this with people like putin (who is purposefully placed in a bad light) and 'populists' like le penn/wilders/farage. So my suggestion to you is maybe spend more than 5 seconds looking and then think for yourself. Because your dismissive attitude towards everything not big time media is disturbing.

on a related note, I can easily see how everyone will start shouting fake news at everything soon. Which is a little troubling

I'm not talking about CNN or any mainstream media in particular. This whole discussion is biased in both directions, I'm not even denying the point of the article. I am just saying that whenever there are only trash sources for something, then it is likely very much over exaggerated or even made up. I've seen a lot in this regard with right wing propaganda, things that people just repeated without thinking. Again, Hoaxmap is a great example. Anecdotal evidence is always problematic since it is not representative.

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What does the front page have to do with the article? If you are gonna stamp your feet like a 4 a year old because we aren't discussing a link from a liberal echo chamber, do us both a favor and don't bother replying.

So you are saying it is fine to fully believe in everything they write without citing another source?
After they have an article about a hidden world government conspiracy posted shortly before that? Really? I think we should start discussing rational thinking first then, because it was enough for me to not even bother with the article in question.

[Aurgjelme]

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...trump-fox-news

[Stacyrect]

I'm not talking about CNN or any mainstream media in particular. This whole discussion is biased in both directions, I'm not even denying the point of the article. I am just saying that whenever there are only trash sources for something, then it is likely very much over exaggerated or even made up. I've seen a lot in this regard with right wing propaganda, things that people just repeated without thinking. Again, Hoaxmap is a great example. Anecdotal evidence is always problematic since it is not representative.

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So you are saying it is fine to fully believe in everything they write without citing another source?
After they have an article about a hidden world government conspiracy posted shortly before that? Really? I think we should start discussing rational thinking first then, because it was enough for me to not even bother with the article in question.

Their were plenty of sources linked within the article itself. Click bait must be your kyptonite if someone linked you a specific article and you ended up on the front page clicking onto some other article about hidden world governments. Try to just concentrate on the link given and the contents within. I know you can do it!

[Deleted]

I'm not talking about CNN or any mainstream media in particular. This whole discussion is biased in both directions, I'm not even denying the point of the article. I am just saying that whenever there are only trash sources for something, then it is likely very much over exaggerated or even made up. I've seen a lot in this regard with right wing propaganda, things that people just repeated without thinking. Again, Hoaxmap is a great example. Anecdotal evidence is always problematic since it is not representative.

If it fell from the sky and made you wet, it was probably rain. Exaggeration is a problem, but there has to be something to exaggerate about,if you offer your neighbour safe haven and he begins to break down the guest room- then that's unacceptable, so is it with immigrants. There are simply too many problems currently with immigration, be it integration or downright criminal offenses. The denial of this obvious event (and some other over the top events) is whats at the root of this fake news debate.

The world is too connected nowadays to systematically bend the truth and not have people find out.

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http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...trump-fox-news

That is one fantastic article by the way. I have this odd feeling of being informed.

[Dezerte]

It does surprise me how all these so called statisticians seem unable to read into statistics...

It is indeed a very dangerous mindset to look at one thing and go "Welp guess it is fine, nothing to see here!"

Which is not my mindset nor the mindset of any expert or scientist in the field. It's simply dispelling some myths that some people peddle (which are dangerous).

[Deleted]

This is the same Sweden where the police covers up rapes because it would make people flock to the right wing?

Because apparently right wing is more dangerous than letting muslims rape your citizens. This is totally not leftist fascism.

[Dezerte]

It does not pay to selectively gerrymander data, it only hurts the people who are put in danger of being raped

I think I rolled my eyes out of orbit.

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This is the same Sweden where the police covers up rapes because it would make people flock to the right wing?

Because apparently right wing is more dangerous than letting muslims rape your citizens. This is totally not leftist fascism.

We also eat babies.

[Deleted]

You people are crazy, and dangerous.

said everyone ever about 'the other side'

You're not as progressive/civilised as you think you are. Atleast the 'right'-oriented people don't pretend to be elevated above everyone. Political correctness has gotten so far you cannot look at facts no more because they might offend some oddly sensitive people

[Arenis]

It does surprise me how all these so called statisticians seem unable to read into statistics...

It is indeed a very dangerous mindset to look at one thing and go "Welp guess it is fine, nothing to see here!"

The recurring problem seems to lay at the faulty interpretation of data :/. People here claiming its on the rise really show a lack of statistical knowledge so far. Im kinda tired of pointing out the flaws...

[jugzilla]

The BBC News delivers the killing blow regarding rape in Malmo; with GASP - actual facts. Figures and charts disprove quotes from far right leaders.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39056786

During 2015, the year in which Sweden took the largest number of asylum seekers, the number of reported sex crimes and rapes actually decreased by 11% and 12% respectively compared with 2014 - 18,100 sex offences were reported to the police, of which 5,920 were classified as rape.

Rapes decreased by 11-12% in Sweden because of refugees? Why is my bullshit meter pinging so hard?

[Thunderball]

Sweden have been taking muslim refugees for decades. The issues are completely legitimate, but it's not like anything changed in the recent years, I dont get why it's being reported so much now.