I'd like to know what views of Le Pen's in particular make her right wing?

[Berndorf]

I am not calling her a neo-nazi, I am saying her ideas are not far off. Nazi's are, at their core nationlist/protectionist. She is exactly that. She is just more moderate than her father.

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I am not reluctant. I specifically said why she is considered far right, I also said that the beliefs the far right espouse ((Ultra)Nationalism, Traditionalism, Curbing of Minority Rights, Authoritarianism, etc) are an anathema to what I believe in.

She may not be as fanatical as her father, but she still holds those (the above) beliefs. Which is what I mean by "not far from the tree".

Come on now. Everyone in the world(at least 99.99%) are against Nazism and everything they stood for. Its all fine and dandy to be left leaning and progressive. A lot if not most of my political views are actually progressive but this idea that anyone who stands for nationalism to some degree is just a hop to the left of Hitler is absurdity plain and simple. We can't have legitimate political discussion as a society if that's how anyone right of what any country considers to be moderate is being fearmongered as a wanna be fascist/Nazi. Its detrimental to a nation's political health to do that. Nationalism in the face of something like the monstrosity the eu has become can be a rightful reaction of people who feel their rights as citizens are being eroded to unelected bureaucrats.

[Berndorf]

Some nationalism is ok, the Far Right is not for "some nationalism", they usually espouse Ultra Nationalist ideas, including protectionism. You can be ok with that, but that is just because you are right leaning. A left leaning person values people over nations.

Sometimes 'right' gets labeled as 'far right' unnecessarily though. That is how the current regime(s) stay in power is by marginalizing their opposition as too extreme to allowed to be put into power. Overly leftist governments can become faceless monstrosities where bureaucracy replaces democracy.

[Aggrophobic]

Every time she is talked about in the news she is given the right wing label and I would just like to on what basis she is given that label beyond being anti eu. I'm willing to bet that most of her views people in the us would consider to be pretty moderate if she was running for congress.

Shes your average neo-nazi.

[Berndorf]

Shes your average neo-nazi.

Neo Nazi nowadays really doesn't mean what it used to.

[Deleted]

I am not pushing for ultra leftist governments either. I am actually looking for more moderate, and libertarian governments. Which currently, as far as I know, do not really exist (maybe Switzerland?).

Isn't it really hard to immigrate into Switzerland and they aren't a part of the EU, have no desire to be a part of the EU?

I mean, it sounds like you might agree with some of Le Pen's "nazi" propositions.

[JohnBrown1917]

She is France's Bernie; aside from some tax thingies she is the carbon copy of Bernie policy-wise. She is just more vocal about it. Like go and check Bernie's stance on immigration at the beggining of his run.

Le Pen? A social democrat?
Now i've truly heard everything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_(France)



But if Le Pen really somehow switched, she's probably pulling the same shit Wilders did here.
But I dont have access to her parties voting patterns.

[Triks]

# 2 is not a fact, it was a mere speculation which no one from FN confirmed, what they did confirm however, is that they indeed took loan from First Russian Chezch Bank.
And we don't know if Russia is still her creditor or is she payed those nine million back.
# 2 is a publicly available speculation, not a fact.
In that link I cited and you cited there's a sentence:

No information exists on whether Babakov and Le Pen even know each other, it's a pure speculation that some people desperately want to be true.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...ench-far-right

Whether you trust Mediapart is up to you.

[Deleted]

Every time she is talked about in the news she is given the right wing label and I would just like to on what basis she is given that label beyond being anti eu. I'm willing to bet that most of her views people in the us would consider to be pretty moderate if she was running for congress.

Anti-immigration, conservatism and nationalism with authoritarian vibes.

[Deleted]

Anti-immigration, conservatism and nationalism with authoritarian vibes.

What does authoritarian vibes mean in this context? Like, what rights does she want to be limited, does she want to restrict voting access or have state censors overseeing the media?

[The Emperor]

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...ench-far-right

Whether you trust Mediapart is up to you.

The Mediapart also cites unnamed sources, how convenient. Next up we're gonna learn she traveled to Moscow where prostitutes peed on her while KGB recorded.

[Triks]

The Mediapart also cites unnamed sources, how convenient. Next up we're gonna learn she traveled to Moscow where prostitutes peed on her while KGB recorded.

They are on the same level of Breitbart - some truth, lots of BS.

[Deleted]

Even when you try to put it in a negative light, it still doesn't seem that bad, maybe I'm used to the over-dramatization involving...other political figures right now.

It isn't even the ideas that I am particularly worried about, except for the preferential treatment one, because that is just asking for problems (that you can then solve, but I'd hope that isn't the idea). It's that Le Pen is the ones proposing them. She isn't exactly a politician recognized for major political pushes, implementations or even legislation. And that unfortunately tends to be rather problematic, because wanting and expressing something in whatever intention, is unfortunately far from reality.
We see it time and again, this legislation will promote business (ends up with big firms swallowing all the small ones), this tax cut will strengthen the economy and create jobs (more jobs do appear but the overall wealth distribution widens), tough on crime (creates a cycle of criminals and broken families that then create generational problematic people) and so on. However many good intentions one has, if it isn't done correctly it tends to be just as broken if not more.

And it should be noted, as a right winger myself, Le Pen on the surface level does look promising in some aspects, but it lacks the professional touch as well as economic feasibility.

[Kardagh]

If putting your country and your people first is extremist it's beggars belief we even got into the 21st century. The EU has an -interest- in painting those who defy their authoritarian unelected rule from Brussels as "dangerous" and "extremist" because these political figures are pushing for the interests of their own country, in contradiction of what the Eurocrats want.

[God Save The King]

Every time she is talked about in the news she is given the right wing label and I would just like to on what basis she is given that label beyond being anti eu. I'm willing to bet that most of her views people in the us would consider to be pretty moderate if she was running for congress.

If you're American, she will appear moderate/centrist, if not a little left leaning.

If you live outside of America, she's far right. That's likely why you think she's moderate. She's moderate to Americans.

[Hiricine]

Well most people will toss nationalism out there, but I'd contend there's nothing exclusively nationalist about the right, given you could have National Socialism (though the name might not fit necessarily). It just happens that if you're fiscally on the right its harder to make that case when you're talking a more globalist agenda.

[Zoranon]

Well labelling Nazism as far right was the biggest propaganda coup the communists have ever done. And it kinda flows from there.

The entire concept of far right is ridiculous, far left parties are generally more extreme versions of center left parties, but this is simply not true with far right and center right parties.

Most so called far right parties are simply far left parties with anti immigrant overtones. The proper word for parties like Front nationale would be National socialist, but Nazis have removed the possibility of using this world in normal discourse.

[Deleted]

The usual right wing rhetoric:

1. Fuck blacks and asians.
2. Fuck immigrants.
3. Fuck gays.
4. Fuck the environment.
5. Fuck all other religions and atheists.
6. Fuck women.
7. Fuck the media.
8. Fuck human rights.
9. Fuck freedom of speech.
10. Our country is the best thing that ever happened on the planet Earth.
11. Fuck America
12. Fuck EU

Give or take a couple.

[Macaquerie]

Far right parties like the FN are really only populist by necessity. Their ideology is always hierarchical at the core, with certain ethnic or cultural groups held above others, so logically this applies to subdivisions of society as well. Successful nationalist movements always rely on close cooperation with the military, business, and social elite to build a strong centralized state, with the masses largely being told to shut up and do as they're told. The distinction with fascist or ultranationalist movements is that elites generally find the message repulsive and shun the movement, so that they have to draw their support from the unwashed masses instead, and hence must promise all sorts of handouts and welfare programs to win them over.

[Karfal]

She's not an american right winger. You need to remember where this is, Europe. Europe is so far to left that their right wing is still american left wing.

[JohnBrown1917]

What does authoritarian vibes mean in this context? Like, what rights does she want to be limited, does she want to restrict voting access or have state censors overseeing the media?

I'm assuming she wants to restrict the Islam.

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She's not an american right winger. You need to remember where this is, Europe. Europe is so far to left that their right wing is still american left wing.

I think you got that the other way around.
The US is the country with the far right leader.

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Well labelling Nazism as far right was the biggest propaganda coup the communists have ever done. And it kinda flows from there.

The entire concept of far right is ridiculous, far left parties are generally more extreme versions of center left parties, but this is simply not true with far right and center right parties.

Most so called far right parties are simply far left parties with anti immigrant overtones. The proper word for parties like Front nationale would be National socialist, but Nazis have removed the possibility of using this world in normal discourse.

Are we seriously implying the Nazis are not far right?
Jesus fucking christ.