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they want a society where everyone follows and respects their religion, they can go and make one in some other land. i'm sick of tolerating intolerance, i'm sick of seeing laws made based on faith, i'm sick of it all.
and i don't hate religion. i hate the way it makes people treat other people. remove those bad parts, and maybe people won't feel badly towards it.
Hi, I want to introduce you to this thing called being civil. It means (among other) that you don't trample on other people's beliefs to make trouble, even if you dislike their beliefs.
Also, we live in a world where people threaten bloody murder because someone belongs to a different political party than they do. Do you REALLY think that pouring gasoline on a fire by removing laws that force people to at least try to be somewhat civil is a good idea?
...you probably do, don't you.
I don't really care one way or the other if someone burns this or that book (although I think a mindset that would burn books is...flawed.), but "people could ignore content they find offensive"? We have people who find the LEGO Batman movie offensive, we have people who find comic book covers offensive. You KNOW that people won't ignore someone destroying what they consider to be the "word of God" when people go apeshit over such minor things.
In a perfect world people would be civil enough to let others believe as they wish without mockery or trying to cause trouble, so long as they themselves were not adversely affected by said beliefs. We don't live in that world, so until we do, we probably need some laws that at least lets people know that there are some limits to how big an asshole they can be, and also lets people know that if you had the most important thing in your life burned, you have other recourses than violence.
While i think that blasphemy laws are outdated it was dumb of him to post a video and try to provoke a reaction.
Most ridiculous thing ive heard, got no place in modern society.
Whats next, start killing people for witchcraft and sorcery like they still do in saudi arabia, africa and other backward places.
Last edited by ParanoiD84; 2017-02-25 at 03:40 PM.
Oh, please. We can, we are able to, criticize anything and everything. Fairly or unfairly, the entire history of criticism is based on attacking make belief. Most movies, books or vidja are based on unsubstantiated belief: they're made up stories with no basis in reality or fact. We still can, and do, criticize them all the time.
We rarely do it on their factual content, but on how it reflects on our actual reality.
Abrahamic religions, for instance, are built on a pretty bizarre story. To put it flippantly, Abraham was a guy that heard voices in his head that commanded he killed his son, and he was more than willing to go along with it. By religious standards, it's a metaphor for commitment. But by today's standards, this guy would be locked up in a mental institution, and we would be scandalized if he had a following cult. The literal recollection of the story is entirely unacceptable, and more than capable of being criticized.
Values =/= religion. You will NEVER be free from people who are trying to impose their values on you. Everyone fucking does it, even the most militant, hardcore atheists and SJW's. Some people's values are informed by religion, some are by their own codes, creeds or views. But everyone has their own values, and as long as there is government, will try to use government to enforce their values.
No one is trying to create a society where everyone follows their religion. Everyone is trying to create a society that conforms to their values and how they feel the world should be. You will NEVER, EVER escape this, and blaming it on religion is missing the real source of your ire. Because even if ALL religion were gone tomorrow, you would STILL have people trying to shove their values down your throat whether you like it or not. They'll just be using something else as an excuse to do it.
Well, ok, let me rephrase it... you can not criticise it efficiently since it's not based in facts. It's one of the reasons why this forum banned religious topics. Because without facts to compare, you're just talking in circles about things in your head that have no basis in reality.
What you can criticise is religious practice! Is Sharia law legit or bullshit? That's very much something you can put into social context with women's rights, Sharia vs. exclusive power of the state etc. But the very idea of god and the religious basis? Pointless to debate it. It's just faith, nothing more. Just ideas in people's heads. I think they're stupid the lot of them, but that's really all the critique of a religion boils down to. Personal opinions.
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Not that I agree with the law. But, if the fella had just burnt the book, he wouldn't have been charged. What he is really being charged with is posting it on Facebook. Maybe they don't have the right laws in place to charge him with a hate speech crime and so they found and used an obscure law to get the message across.
I have little doubt the guy is your standard racist bigot (which is his right), I imagine they wanted to "nip in the bud" more people ratcheting up the anger speech and so they made an example out of this fella. In this case, basically the Govt punched a Nazi in the face, which is why I guess it's considered a good thing here on MMO-C
I repeat: "Should people have a right to be a dick and cause trouble?". The specific dick in question here may or may not have caused trouble, but that is besides the point, as I was talking about people who get a kick out of destroying things that matters to other people in general.
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