Debunking Malmo Sweden's "Rape Issues"

[Deleted]

Any article that states that Sweden is 2nd place for "Rape Capitol of the World," I would toss out as garbage. Is it really that bad there?

It's inflammatory language from all sides of the issue, I wouldn't get hung up on how people report an issue, rather that there is an issue to begin with. We're not going to get anywhere by arguing semantics and not actually discussing the problems at hand.

I refer back to my post on page 6, #111 because it appears very overlooked despite many of the talking points raised prior and after can be answered in it.

[jugzilla]

It's inflammatory language from all sides of the issue, I wouldn't get hung up on how people report an issue, rather that there is an issue to begin with. We're not going to get anywhere by arguing semantics and not actually discussing the problems at hand.

I refer back to my post on page 6, #111 because it appears very overlooked despite many of the talking points raised prior and after can be answered in it.

It is almost as if people are fighting over Sweden, but not caring what the actual Swedes have to say. Ideology is way more important to people now. For what it's worth, I got your back and have looked at many of those links. (most of them I couldn't understand because I only speak two languages. English. And bad English)

[Zecora]

Right...as I am doing. If sex crimes, and rapes are down 10-12% the past year in Sweden i will eat my friggin underwear. This is just obviously a fake news story.

Get Trump to say it, then it will be "Alternative Facts" instead.


Protip: Not every news article is "fake news" just because you don't agree with it.

[Deleted]

They don't understand that the amounts of rape/murder etc vary over time. Ppl say murder went up by 80%.

Yes, things may vary over time, however since 2012 reports of sex crimes have doubled, despite decreased willingness to report sex crimes.
http://www.bra.se/bra/brott-och-stat...for-brott.html
http://torbjornbergman.se/?p=1286
https://www.bra.se/bra/nytt-fran-bra...d-kvinnor.html

Murder hasn't gone up, according to the official statistics, however Aftonbladet has made estimations saying that murder did go up from 2015 to 2016, so take that with a grain of salt.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/kr...i-sverige-okar

Despite this, lethal violence has seen a 30% increase.
https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-englis...slaughter.html
http://www.bra.se/download/18.358de3...%A5ld_2015.pdf

And gun related crimes has seen an increase.
https://www.bra.se/bra/nytt-fran-bra...apen-okar.html

[Deleted]

What is really funny, is that people ranting about rape going up, are not even looking at the rape statistics. They are watching "sexual offenses", thinking it directly correlates to the rape statistics. However, if you actually look at the graphs, you'll see that the rape statistics are stable.

Look for the headline "Reported sex offences" @ https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-englis...-offences.html

[jugzilla]

How do murder rates stay stable, and at the same time, lethal violence increase?

What is really funny, is that people ranting about rape going up, are not even looking at the rape statistics. They are watching "sexual offenses", thinking it directly correlates to the rape statistics. However, if you actually look at the graphs, you'll see that the rape statistics are stable.

Look for the headline "Reported sex offences" @ https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-englis...-offences.html

Countries report their crimes in different ways. What is considered "rape" in country X is considered "other sex crime" in country Y. You can't just take two countries crime statistics, and compare them to each other and pretend it is a valid comparison.

[Deleted]

How do murder rates stay stable, and at the same time, lethal violence increase?

I'm sorry, I chalk it up to english being my 3rd language and poorly phrasing myself, let me clear up what I mean.

Lethal violence pertaining to alcohol and relationships have seen a decrease however illegal gun crime has risen and filled the gap.
https://www.bra.se/bra/nytt-fran-bra...apen-okar.html

Overall lethal violence have seen a decrease since the 90s and attempted murder rates have appeared to be stable for the past decade.
http://www.bra.se/download/18.744c0a...utveckling.pdf

Here is however where I misspoke and there has been an approx 30% increase in lethal violence from 2014-2015.
https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-englis...slaughter.html
http://www.bra.se/download/18.358de3...%A5ld_2015.pdf

Aftonbladets own preliminary results show that murder is on the increase during 2015
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/kr...i-sverige-okar

The majority of lethal violence between 1990 and 2014 is because of illegal guns and ghetto related crimes
https://www.bra.se/download/18.31d7f...%C3%A5ldet.pdf

Shootings have seen an increase by over 80% in 9 years
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sk...iskt-i-sverige

All in all between 2006 and 2015 the number of reported crimes have increased by 22%
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ior08lacc...GkUanzhYa?dl=0

[jugzilla]

I'm sorry, I chalk it up to english being my 3rd language and poorly phrasing myself, let me clear up what I mean.

Lethal violence pertaining to alcohol and relationships have seen a decrease however illegal gun crime has risen and filled the gap.
https://www.bra.se/bra/nytt-fran-bra...apen-okar.html

Overall lethal violence have seen a decrease since the 90s and attempted murder rates have appeared to be stable for the past decade.
http://www.bra.se/download/18.744c0a...utveckling.pdf

Here is however where I misspoke and there has been an approx 30% increase in lethal violence from 2014-2015.
https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-englis...slaughter.html
http://www.bra.se/download/18.358de3...%A5ld_2015.pdf

Aftonbladets own preliminary results show that murder is on the increase during 2015
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/kr...i-sverige-okar

The majority of lethal violence between 1990 and 2014 is because of illegal guns and ghetto related crimes
https://www.bra.se/download/18.31d7f...%C3%A5ldet.pdf

Shootings have seen an increase by over 80% in 9 years
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sk...iskt-i-sverige

All in all between 2006 and 2015 the number of reported crimes have increased by 22%
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ior08lacc...GkUanzhYa?dl=0

Your English is excellent! When you stumble in English, just blame it on your phone's auto-correct. That's what I do.

I don't speak Swedish, so I can't read your links. However, I am pretty sure we think the same way.

[Deleted]

Your English is excellent! When you stumble in English, just blame it on your phone's auto-correct. That's what I do.

I don't speak Swedish, so I can't read your links. However, I am pretty sure we think the same way.

Hey, thanks.

You did highlight a big issue here with that it's very difficult to communicate these things cross national borders, while Swedish people speak english, english speakers generally don't speak Swedish.

Currently, our government is under very heavy amounts of critique, because people do not have an equal playing field when it comes to public discourse on things that go against the wishes of the government or the media. We have a socially conservative, anti EU and for reduced immigration called SD, with a very shady past and it's not uncommon to hear people from within the party express themselves very emotionally and angry about the current situation.

While i'm not downplaying the way their party members may speak, which in many cases are outright racist, I do not believe that the Swedish people over a period of 10~ years have become a reflection of this party;s statements, a recent poll showed that this party which recieved around 4% in the 2010 elections, is now between 25-30%.

Because the media and the state (confederations of several smaller parties, cross party lines) have a status quo to uphold, the average swede can not enter public discourse, the fourth estate is on the side of the second estate, creating a massive divide in the perspective and image that Sweden can project and what people in sweden actually think and experience, while I have to note, that this is my opinion and shouldn't be taken as fact.

At the end of the day, I think it's good that Sweden has recieved this attention on the world stage, because for very long I as an insider to this situation and an outsider to the way Sweden is portrayed in foreign media, which is very polarizing, since you will have one side going "Sweden is going to become the next afghanistan in 5 years" and the other side, praising Sweden for how one may percieve how succesfull it has been in implementing social democracy and is a leading figure in the world of progressivism. And I have to say, neither is true.

The reality, that I see is much bleaker than either, while we are not going to enter a total system collapse or anything, we will and have a long depression ahead of us, where the manufacturing jobs that were a staple for the economic boom sweden relied upon during the 50s and into the 70s have been largely destroyed, with very little industry and primarily relying on jobs in the service sector.

I have dealt with recruiting and worked in several technical fields that are now aging, with very high unemployment but vital and giant sectors in our society are desperately looking for adequate manpower, for instance in control engineering where a study from december of 2016 say that during a 2 year period, they could only on average fill 47% of their recruiting needs.

I guess in conclusion, the long run is going to see an economic and social degradation and I do not blame immigrants, I blame foolish politicians who know that in a decade they do not have to deal with this issue. We will see further radicalization from the left, right, I won't say that it has to get worse but from my perspective, it probably will unless we can take a grip of our problems and deal with them in decisive and good ways and ultimately forego bureaucracy that currently holds us back.

Edit: I just re-read what I wrote and I do become a bit rambling at parts so if you are unclear with what I meant or if there are syntax errors ask or highlight them because it is easy for me to overlook or miss things.

[Theodarzna]

Ill just share this here, sorry to all who consider themselfs PC

Sweden may well be doomed, Good luck Norway.

[Sama-81]

All else apart, two things rather stand out, in my eyes:

1) Where, are the numbers on reported sex offences for 2016? It seems weird to leave that out, when that is the number most often used when talking about what type of crimes that increased in Sweden (ie, actually not rape per se), and that is the year it's being discussed for - not 2015.

We had some..."events" that were big news indeed at some points, where refugees in large numbers sexually harassed young girls in public, and the interesting part would have been to see the numbers relevant to that - in order to see, and test, the overall veracity of that image. Then, on the other hand, nationality isn't kept track of in cases like these, and the police outright stated (as in literal statements, by the police themselves) that not all such crimes were being reported, on purpose, as to not create tensions.

2) As for Malmö, everyone around here knows the real problem there, when talking about crimes, and that is the wave of murders. Would have been interesting to see those figures - and no, they aren't tied to the refugee wave, of course they're not, but they most certainly are tied to immigrants. The huge spike comes down, more or less solely, to gangs of immigrants, and the organized crime that they are involved in and do for a living.

Other than that, I think everyone around here already knew that the rape statistics in Malmö haven't increased in any meaningful manner lately. That part is just nonsense coming from certain individuals, for rather transparent reasons.

[Deleted]

1) Where, are the numbers on reported sex offences in 2016? It seems weird to leave that out, when that is the number most often used when talking about what type of crimes that increased in Sweden (actually not rape per se), and that is the year it's being discussed for - not 2015.

BRÅs statistics are generally released spring the following year, so we will be able to see their numbers from 2016 in not too long.

[Sama-81]

BRÅs statistics are generally released spring the following year, so we will be able to see their numbers from 2016 in not too long.

That is good to hear. Those numbers are more interesting, and will give a better view of the situation. Be it good or bad.

[Deleted]

That is good to hear. Those numbers are more interesting, and will give a better view of the situation. Be it good or bad.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/kr...i-sverige-okar

Aftonbladet saying that murder is on the rise for 2016, for the first time in 25 years.

[psyquest]

simple,

people with bias towards strangers, in this case refugees, will always try to find reason to comfort their bias. It does not matter that figures and proofs disprove their bias.

this thread will go nowhere. people with bias will stay with their bias. Those that try and argue with them will waste their time.

[d00mGuArD]

Any article that states that Sweden is 2nd place for "Rape Capitol of the World," I would toss out as garbage. Is it really that bad there?

It is the OP article which explains that things is Sweden are fine, and at same time claims the "2012 UN international rape rate comparison" ranks Sweden 1st in EU and 2nd in world - which, in my opinion, is not fine

[Deleted]

simple,

people with bias towards strangers, in this case refugees, will always try to find reason to comfort their bias. It does not matter that figures and proofs disprove their bias.

this thread will go nowhere. people with bias will stay with their bias. Those that try and argue with them will waste their time.

Not talking to people who feel that there is genuine cause of concern and gripes is why Trump got elected, why SD is going to become the biggest party in Sweden, why Le Pen's popularity is ever rising.

It's the cause for return of white identity politics.

[Tico]

I like facts. Haters don't really like them.

[Ichifails]

We did talk to those people.
We gave them a cuddle and showed them the statistics: That there was nothing to be afraid of.
They claimed everyone was in on it and went batshit crazy.

Most of the statistics presented I've seen, this thread included, are made in such a way that don't address what people are concerned about. You can use perfectly accurate numbers, graphs, statistics to simply mask reality. If data is presented like this it simply means there's something to hide so allegations must be true.

[Deleted]

We did talk to those people.
We gave them a cuddle and showed them the statistics: That there was nothing to be afraid of.
They claimed everyone was in on it and went batshit crazy.

You're a white guy in his 20-30s? Pretty much all they do is downplay peoples concerns because you yourselves never suffer any ill effects of what you support.

There is plenty to be concerned about with the type of immigration to sweden the past 2-3 decades.