Why is no one calling these people fascist?

[Deleted]

You are aware of clerical fascism?

It started in Italy, to be correct. And they were christian clerics that supported fascist regimes.

It's not the same thing the theocratic extremism represented on the video.

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Islam is the exception. Because unlike most religions besides the supernatural element with god djins and how people should be a good muslim, islam is also a guideline on how to set up a nation, including sharia law, the law that needs to govern that nation

That's not nationalism. Islam and Sharia Law is older than the 1500s concept of nationalism.

[Kokolums]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8U26AJtdao

I am talking specifically about the people in the street that day. Obviously #notall and while i know there is freedom of speech im sure that if british people would chant similar messages they would be labeled fascists . What do you guys think?

Also why don't mass media publications like The guardian or daily mail report about this?

Republicans call democrats fascist because they control the media to shut out dissent from right wing voices, encourage safe spaces to silence free speech on college campuses, ban religious speech on public grounds, etc. Democrats call republicans fascist because Trump kicks out CNN and MSNBC from pressers.

Democrats want open borders with Mexico and say aligning with Russia is wrong because they invaded the Crimea. Republicans want open borders with Russia and say aligning with Mexico is wrong because they invaded California.

A lot of it is noise at this point, yes.

[veehro]

That's not nationalism. Islam and Sharia Law is older than the 1500s concept of nationalism.

I disagree . You did have the concept of nation states since the roman empire. The thing is if you conquer every one else then every one is going to be inside your nation and leave by your own laws.

[Manabomb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8U26AJtdao

I am talking specifically about the people in the street that day. Obviously #notall and while i know there is freedom of speech im sure that if british people would chant similar messages they would be labeled fascists . What do you guys think?

Also why don't mass media publications like The guardian or daily mail report about this?

So a clearly and remarkably staged video with absolutely zero sources or meaningful commentary is displaying a clear agenda when conveying it's message?

Call me shocked. Something something white people are always right.

[Manabomb]

Republicans call democrats fascist because they control the media to shut out dissent from right wing voices, encourage safe spaces to silence free speech on college campuses, ban religious speech on public grounds, etc. Democrats call republicans fascist because Trump kicks out CNN and MSNBC from pressers.

Democrats want open borders with Mexico and say aligning with Russia is wrong because they invaded the Crimea. Republicans want open borders with Russia and say aligning with Mexico is wrong because they invaded California.

A lot of it is noise at this point, yes.

If Mexico invading California was a factual representation of events, then Republicans would actually have a leg to stand on.

Not to mention, it was Republicans where Russian fear mongering ORIGINATED. They've only changed the horn they toot to appease their new god-king.

[Theodarzna]

Not sure how Fascist is a junk term as we have actual examples of Fascism in practice, documentation, philosophy and so on that is voluminous on the political goals and ideology of Fascism.

We know exactly what Fascism is actually; in the same manner we know exactly the components of Communism, Socialism, Contractarianism, et cetera. That there is blending on political philosophies in the 20th and 21st century does not delete what Locke, Rawls, Franco and so on, developed.

We have at best ONE actual example of Fascism, and that is Benito as he called himself a Fascist. The problem with Fascism is there is no central philosophy and most "Fascists," are called that by other people. For example was Franco a Fascist? It is actually the subject of much academic debate. As for core philosophy, unlike communism ect, there is no actual central text we can look at. What the developed was different in every country, so different that there is ongoing debate as to who was even a Fascist.

[valdok]

They're not fascists.

They are extreme religious nuts who belong in the desert from whence they came. I don't believe in race or explicit racial differences, I believe that culture is the common denominator that divides people. Their culture is simply just on a base level not compatible with ours, which makes them very dangerous to the integrity of our society.

Saying you don't believe in race is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've heard. To discount race as a factor means a) 99% you're white and have never had your race negatively effect you b) ignorant of the possibility that someone's race has effected their life negatively c) just plain wrong.

I do, however, agree that cultural differences do not make their beliefs and morals on par with ours. And I think that's where the problem lies. That is not to say ours > theirs, or theirs > ours.

[veehro]

Saying you don't believe in race

After ww2 there was allot of effort to make people stop believing in race. This was done through legislation, entertainemnt, books philosophy.

To discount race as a factor means a) 99% you're white and have never had your race negatively effect you b) ignorant of the possibility that someone's race has effected their life negatively c) just plain wrong.

So my question to you is. Why on god's given earth are ideologies out there like the one you are promoting trying to get white people to be aware of race again?! You want neo nazi's? cause thats how you get neo nazzi's.

[Tico]

Fascism is fascism, no matter what people do it. Should be treated equally.

[Deleted]

I disagree . You did have the concept of nation states since the roman empire. The thing is if you conquer every one else then every one is going to be inside your nation and leave by your own laws.

You are anachronically using the concept of nationalism. The romans didn't had such concept, they had romanitas.

The concept of nation-states appeared during the 1500s. Islam and Sharia Law doesn't care about nations, they only care if people respect the law and pay taxes.


Theocratic extremists are theocratic extremists, fascists are fascists, nazis are nazis. I wish that people once and for all started using these labels correctly, based on the historical evidences that we have.

[LaserSharkDFB]

Trump wants war and WW3 will happen

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...-Lewis-experts
http://www.ibtimes.com/will-world-wa...sraeli-2467048

Trump brings DAAAARK~~~ tidings

https://newrepublic.com/article/1399...trump-dark-age
http://www.newyorker.com/news/benjam...dark-inaugural
https://qz.com/890414/trump-inaugura...america-first/
http://www.vox.com/2017/1/21/1434060...story-dystopia
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/...cks-washington
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/cnn-now-...conic-gigantic

Oh and lets not forget the "muh russian hackers" while the oponent hillary was taking money from Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
Oh and lets not focus about what the actual information was revealed by the "hacks" or why was the security for podesta so lax that he got hacked in the first place.

Brexit doom

https://www.project-syndicate.org/co...rier=accessreg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...orst-1920.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b04e1174a50f4f
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...truction-surge
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7161976.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/b...on-win-9693669 yes even the music is in peril
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...leave-campaign


Yeah you're absolutely right no fear mongering what so ever. The leftist press are just good and nice people who have no agenda and are just there to talk about the facts with no sensationalism or scare tactics whatsoever

Man, your definition of 'mainstream media' is really broad. Also you don't know the difference between fearmongering and doomsaying (not that doomsaying is particularly helpful, but it's not as manipulative), and also note that the things those articles refer to are based on things that actually happened, as opposed to the outright lies pushed by Trump and right-wing media.

Again, let me know when the 'fearmongering' gets anywhere close to what the right does on a daily basis.

[Pickynerd]

I mean, if you can refute my points with any facts at all, be my guest.

I mean I could toss out facts, but then it would be a source issue like always, so whatever.

[Fencers]

We have at best ONE actual example of Fascism, and that is Benito as he called himself a Fascist.

Franco. Dollfuss. Vargas. Metaxas.

The problem with Fascism is there is no central philosophy and most "Fascists,"

The problem is largely with publicity. Post-Fascism (National Socialism) had a public relations problem amid hyper industrialized economies. So an interplay between other groups and movements that also desired Authoritative and self sustaining economies evolved beyond the narrow Fascism of Benny M.

Which is the same evolution of concept and practice we see with other political philosophies.

[Theodarzna]

Franco. Dollfuss. Vargas. Metaxas.

The problem is largely with publicity. Post-Fascism (National Socialism) had a public relations problem amid hyper industrialized economies. So an interplay between other groups and movements that also desired Authoritative and self sustaining economies evolved beyond the narrow Fascism of Benny M.

Which is the same evolution of concept and practice wee see with other political philosophies.

Franco is actually debated as not being Fascist by a lot of scholars of Fascist history, particularly Payne whom I just finished reading as a matter of fact. There is ample debate about what Fascism even is, and who even counts as a Fascist.

[veehro]

Franco is actually debated as not being Fascist by a lot of scholars of Fascist history, particularly Payne whom I just finished reading as a matter of fact. There is ample debate about what Fascism even is, and who even counts as a Fascist.

Im sure antifa ponders these questions before attacking some one

And im sure the journalists also speak with allot of scholars before implying pewdiepie is one

[Fencers]

Franco is actually debated as not being Fascist by a lot of scholars of Fascist history, particularly Payne whom I just finished reading as a matter of fact. There is ample debate about what Fascism even is, and who even counts as a Fascist.

Only in a narrow sense from conceptional touchstones. Franco is notable for his fluidity politically as well in that book- if we are thinking of the same book.

[Theodarzna]

Im sure antifa ponders these questions before attacking some one

And im sure the journalists also speak with allot of scholars before implying pewdiepie is one

That is the rub of my dislike of the term Fascist. We are all Fascists now. If PewDiePie is Fascist, then everyone not in an Antifa collective is fascist.

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Only in a narrow sense from conceptional touchstones. Franco is notable for his fluidity politically as well in that book- if we are thinking of the same book.

History of Fascism by Payne?

[Endus]

Since this thread is A> largely religious discussion, and B> based on a 5-year old story, locking this here.