Deceased US Navy Seal's Father Refuses to meet Trump

[wheresmywoft]

I like how all of the usual military hurrah people are so ready to turn on this man's father because he believes a poor decision was made.

[Felya]

Then you can understand why I'm not willing to disbelieve whats being reported just because people on forums have differing opinions.

No, you just seem to ignore what execute means.

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I dont like this political stance the Father is taking. All of the planning and decision making was made while Obama was in office. This wasnt some off the cuff thing to do. Plus, this kid was Navy Seal, it comes with the territory.

Yes, and what was the difference between Obama not signing the order and Trump doing it? Obama didn't sign it because time wasn't right, while Trump did. There is nothing to say that Obama would have signed it then, but sure as hell its obvious who did sign it.

[burzian]

So? People have refused to meet Obama and Bush ... this is nothing newsworthy.

How'd you hear about those people refusing to visit Obama and Bush?

Perhaps from... the news?

[Felya]

I like how all of the usual military hurrah people are so ready to turn on this man's father because he believes a poor decision was made.

Hey now! If this was someone saying the attack was on those planning "terrorist acts" instead of planning "acts of terror", then we'd have several hearings on it, like Benghazi.

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How'd you hear about those people refusing to visit Obama and Bush?

Perhaps from... the news?

Cindy Sheehan demanded to meet with Bush, even protesting in front of his ranch in Texas. Bush also had a ban on media showing coffins coming back from the war.

[Xirrohon]

No, you just seem to ignore what execute means.

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Yes, and what was the difference between Obama not signing the order and Trump doing it? Obama didn't sign it because time wasn't right, while Trump did. There is nothing to say that Obama would have signed it then, but sure as hell its obvious who did sign it.

How do you know why Obama didnt sign it? You dont think military leaders told Trump just like they would have told Obama, the time is now, we need to do this? Neither Obama/Trump are military leaders. At the time, Trump had the same advisers Obama had. Blaming Trump is a political move and its sickening..

[Celista]

It appears that the deceased's father directly blames Trump for the loss of his son's life due to bad decision making.

Father of US commando killed in Yemen refused to meet Trump
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39099680

That's because that is exactly what happened.

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Well, he's not wrong. It is Trump's fault. I just hope Trump has the decency not to attack the father.

I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to, even if his handlers put their foot down on this one.

[Felya]

How do you know why Obama didnt sign it? You dont think military leaders told Trump just like they would have told Obama, the time is now, we need to do this? Neither Obama/Trump are military leaders. At the time, Trump had the same advisers Obama had. Blaming Trump is a political move and its sickening..

Bullshit! Obama explicitly didn't sign because the time wasn't right. I'm not suggesting why the time wasn't right, but it's blatant that it wasn't... because... gasp! He didn't sign it! Also, Flynn was not Obama's National Security advisor at that time, but was in fact fired years prior. Then had to resign under Trump for lying...

So no, blaming Obama or pretending this is just political, when he explicitly didn't sign it, is just blind defense of Trump.

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It appears that the deceased's father directly blames Trump for the loss of his son's life due to bad decision making.

Father of US commando killed in Yemen refused to meet Trump
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39099680

Lets just hope it was Trumps last casuality.

[Celista]

I like how all of the usual military hurrah people are so ready to turn on this man's father because he believes a poor decision was made.

People will do whatever is necessary to defend their previously held beliefs.

[Felya]

People will do whatever is necessary to defend their previously held beliefs.

We are at a point that Trump being blamed for signing an order is unfair, because Obama didn't sign it. This is the logic we are dealing with... blame Obama, because by all indications, he knew better than to sign it...

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Lets just hope it was Trumps last casuality.

Yeah, let's hope Tump's whole rhetoric that the previous administration was too soft on terror and we need more swift justice, will only be expressed once.

[Xirrohon]

Bullshit! Obama explicitly didn't sign because the time wasn't right. I'm not suggesting why the time wasn't right, but it's blatant that it wasn't... because... gasp! He didn't sign it! Also, Flynn was not Obama's National Security advisor at that time, but was in fact fired years prior. Then had to resign under Trump for lying...

So no, blaming Obama or pretending this is just political, when he explicitly didn't sign it, is just blind defense of Trump.

Im not blaming Obama. What I said was you dont know why Obama didnt sign it. Maybe the time wasnt right when he was in office and he was never approached with it. We dont know. All we know is that military leaders decided the time was right when they advised Trump to go ahead with the mission. What is he supposed to do, say no, to people who have been doing this their entire career? Do you think Obama would have gone against their advice? Of course not. The thing that this father is saying, is that if his son was killed while Obama was in office, he would have met him but because its Trump hes not. And ok, thats fine but dont make it into this big ordeal. Its embarrassing to his sons death.

[burzian]

Im not blaming Obama. What I said was you dont know why Obama didnt sign it. Maybe the time wasnt right when he was in office and he was never approached with it. We dont know. All we know is that military leaders decided the time was right when they advised Trump to go ahead with the mission. What is he supposed to do, say no, to people who have been doing this their entire career? Do you think Obama would have gone against their advice? Of course not. The thing that this father is saying, is that if his son was killed while Obama was in office, he would have met him but because its Trump hes not. And ok, thats fine but dont make it into this big ordeal. Its embarrassing to his sons death.

Go run to the bathroom and look in the mirror, because you're going to be staring at a dude who just accused a grieving military father of politicizing his son's death. Did you read the article? Maybe check out a few of this father's points? He's causing embarrassment to his son's death? This is gross and you should be ashamed.

[Rooflesstoofless]

Sure I guess? At the same point, you hope the people in charge are competent enough to know what is happening.

That's a tall order considering how the last three administrations have used our military forces.

[Gorgodeus]

or it wasnt finished getting planned or the targets wernt in place at the time, it just says started it doesnt say they passed.

As iv said on this subject, this is no more trumps fault than it is yours or mine. His advisers were the ones that advised him it would work and they would achieve thier target. The strategic planners and military staff that put it together are the ones tha drew out the plan and plan of attack, not trump, he was told that it was a mission, what they were going to hit and that it would succeed and so he oked it.

It was 100% Trumps fault. The reason Obama did not go thought with it was due to a lack of needed key intel on the matter. Trump had the same exact intel, and decided to go through with it.

[Xirrohon]

Go run to the bathroom and look in the mirror, because you're going to be staring at a dude who just accused a grieving military father of politicizing his son's death. Did you read the article? Maybe check out a few of this father's points? He's causing embarrassment to his son's death? This is gross and you should be ashamed.

How? The only reason that the Obama Administration did not go through with the mission is because they were waiting for a moonless night, a night that wouldnt be available until Trump took over. The father is an embarrassment, want to know why? Because his son followed the Commander in Chiefs orders and did what he was supposed to do. This is disgusting. You obviously have never been in a Combat Military Arms unit before. Well I have, we are a different breed and this, this is disgusting.

This is not mourning, you do that in private.

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It was 100% Trumps fault. The reason Obama did not go thought with it was due to a lack of needed key intel on the matter. Trump had the same exact intel, and decided to go through with it.

Wrong, they were waiting for a moonless night, a night that if had occurred while Obama was still in office would have went into effect. However, the first moonless night wasnt until Trump took over.

[burzian]

How? The only reason that the Obama Administration did not go through with the mission is because they were waiting for a moonless night, a night that wouldnt be available until Trump took over. The father is an embarrassment, want to know why? Because his son followed the Commander in Chiefs orders and did what he was supposed to do. This is disgusting. You obviously have never been in a Combat Military Arms unit before. Well I have, we are a different breed and this, this is disgusting.

This is not mourning, you do that in private.

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Wrong, they were waiting for a moonless night, a night that if had occurred while Obama was still in office would have went into effect. However, the first moonless night wasnt until Trump took over.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

[jackofwind]

Then that idiot would have been Obama. Any military operation in the last 6 weeks would have been approved by the previous administration.

Nope. The acting Commander in Chief at the time needed to sign off on the mission - that was Trump.

Trump gave the go-ahead. It falls on Trump's shoulders.

Let me re-iterate: you are wrong.

[Acidbaron]

so it is his fault for hiring shit staff as well?

Yes, that's how it works in the real world. The boss is the person whos always responsible in the end, being it the public or private sector being it from construction to retail.

[jackofwind]

So because the mission got compromised its somehow Trumps fault? The SEALS knew the terrorists were aware of the mission and had the choice to abort they decided to go ahead KNOWING they would face stiff resistance.

The comments that the mission was somehow rushed is nonsense they had been planning it for months under Obama and he nearly green lit the mission himself but decided not to because of how close it was to the inauguration.

The father is just lashing out in his grief and Trump is an easy target.

"No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy." Helmuth von Moltke

It's up to Trump to make that call, and he fucked it up. Don't forget that they killed an 8 year old American girl as well.

Now just imagine if it had been Hillary who has signed off on the raid. She'd be getting lynched right about now.

[Xirrohon]

Nope. The acting Commander in Chief at the time needed to sign off on the mission - that was Trump.

Trump gave the go-ahead. It falls on Trump's shoulders.

Let me re-iterate: you are wrong.

Sure, Trump needs to take accountability. However, its already been said many times that the only reason that the mission was delayed was because they were waiting for a moonless night. Had that happened while Obama was in office the mission would have happened.