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  1. #941
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    Hey guys,

    I wonder if I should change one of my Holy relic.

    - What I have currently equipped: 890 Holy relic - Increases healing done by Holy Light and Flash of Light.
    - What I have in the inventory: 900 Holy relic - Reduces the cooldown of Blessing of Freedom, Blessing of Protection, and Blessing of Sacrifice.

    Should I equip 900 relic? I don´t know if the stats it provides are better than the % of the healing of HL and FL the other has.

  2. #942
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    they're roughly the same

  3. #943
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    HI

    Just wondering what im doing wrong herer for my healing seems low




    armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Tricks/simple

    Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/71J6vcPRj8z9txY2/

    Any constructive input appreciated

  4. #944
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    having too little crit and too much haste are two big factors. your buff uptimes aren't too bad outside of rule of law. definitely use light of dawn more. same for bestow faith when you take it.

    doesn't seem too bad overall though. i'm sure you'd be looking better in a more balanced healer composition.

  5. #945
    Hey all, hoping for some trinket advice. I have an 840 int/crit world quest trinket with a socket, VS 895 Etraeus' Celestial Map with a socket. I have 2set and have 45% crit with Etraeus' equipped.

  6. #946
    Anyone see any glaring issues with this parse outside of my bad Aura of Sac timing? Open to improving. Feel like my hps should be a bit higher.

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...2&type=healing
    Last edited by clutchh; 2017-02-20 at 03:52 AM.

  7. #947
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    the first issue is the link itself

  8. #948
    Quote Originally Posted by treeqt View Post
    the first issue is the link itself
    fuk me sideways

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...2&type=healing

  9. #949
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    you could've pressed light of dawn quite a bit more. the avg healing seems low but that might just be your lack of traits rather than a positioning issue.
    i'd suggest opening with HA+Tyr's on the first shard drop and keep wings for later where they don't mostly go into overhealing. don't forget to pre-pot.

    the biggest "improvement" in terms of hps though would be just dropping a healer and getting more boss dps.
    also, on a 7 minute fight like that aura of mercy is gonna produce better results for you.

  10. #950
    Quote Originally Posted by treeqt View Post
    you could've pressed light of dawn quite a bit more. the avg healing seems low but that might just be your lack of traits rather than a positioning issue.
    i'd suggest opening with HA+Tyr's on the first shard drop and keep wings for later where they don't mostly go into overhealing. don't forget to pre-pot.

    the biggest "improvement" in terms of hps though would be just dropping a healer and getting more boss dps.
    also, on a 7 minute fight like that aura of mercy is gonna produce better results for you.
    ty for the input. is there a rough time threshold where mercy>sac or is it just raw burst damage that is the dictator?

  11. #951
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    Mercy is completely free while Sacrifice still requires you to actually cast heals in order to get anything out of it. Since you had mana struggles and didn't get optimal use out of Sac anyway, Mercy is just easier to work with. You can be more liberal in using Aura Mastery with Mercy too.
    On shorter fights where mana isn't a limiting factor Aura of Sacrifice has a lot more potential, obviously.

  12. #952

    Stats? Rotation? Where's the problem?

    Hi guys,

    I'm a bit confused about my stats and rotation... in my raid composition (4 to 5 healers...), I'm nearly always on the bottom of the logs and I still don't know why.

    When I check the guide in Wowhead, it recommends a BiS gear and thats the one I'm aiming for and using the spreadsheet to use my Pawn values. Then, in Askmrrobot, I find that another gear is the BiS and, ofc, another stat priority... Am I following the wrong guide / stat priority?

    Another thing I've seen in my logs, is that the other holy paladin in my raid, uses a LOT of HL instead of FL... is it right to do this?

    (actually, I've got my legendary belt from las night's trilliax mythic kill )

    ARMORY: eu.battle.net/wow/es/character/sanguino/Shyrran/simple (my talents are Aura of Sacrifice and Beacon of Faith, not the ones on the armory -.-)
    LOGS: warcraftlogs.com/reports/YcRdVbqQ3ygzaPhH#fight=6

  13. #953
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...hps&bracket=-1

    Just confirming im doing as best as I can. My cake usage seems good. Just want an opinion or tips to improve.
    Last edited by Elunetrain; 2017-02-25 at 01:26 PM.

  14. #954
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    I'm casual as fuck, but I really don't theorycraft at all. Anything that I completly fucked up? I have the 895 Setcloak in my Bags, but I'm pretty sure the Maidencloak is better. I could get the 4 Set if I choose to wear 860 Retardfinder Gloves. Should I?

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Hadley/simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirilla View Post
    I'm casual as fuck, but I really don't theorycraft at all. Anything that I completly fucked up? I have the 895 Setcloak in my Bags, but I'm pretty sure the Maidencloak is better. I could get the 4 Set if I choose to wear 860 Retardfinder Gloves. Should I?

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    No. In 99% of all cases drape of shame is going to be better with current gear. I'm currently trying to find that 1% but I don't think anyone is literally gonna be lucky enough to reach that point, more math needed.

  16. #956
    Does anyone have a nitty Sac WA that shows how many players you are in range to?

  17. #957
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    Quote Originally Posted by EzG View Post
    No. In 99% of all cases drape of shame is going to be better with current gear. I'm currently trying to find that 1% but I don't think anyone is literally gonna be lucky enough to reach that point, more math needed.
    This is some rough fucking shitty napkin math i did early on when i got the cloak. i'm ignoring artifact % and all kinds of shit like IoL. I know i didn't have to math out X casts. But i looked at a couple of logs and took average casts. This is nearly 100mil healing. If you look at augur/elisande logs we are 250mil up to 350mil per fight so the difference is also going to be bigger. I'm sure there are some mistakes in there. I took very round numbers etc. Rounded up heavily on the second set on the per cast heal and amount of crits. 0.65 crit% isn't actually going to add a lot of crit casts. I also checked individual casts with more precision and artifact bonus etc and that showed a bigger gap. But unfortunately i never saved that stuff.

    But hopefully the math is "helpful"

    a 925 tich cloak would give
    738 Intellect
    262 Critical Strike
    -27 vers
    versus the drape of shame.

    so lets say
    50000 int
    45% crit
    10% vers
    Code:
    50 shocks     400% * 50000 = 200,000 * 1.1 = 220,000
    220,000 * 5 = 1,100,000
    220,000 * 45 = 9,900,000 * 2.1 = 20,790,000
    21,890,000 total
    
    50 FoL        450% * 50000 = 225,000 * 1.1 = 247,500
    247,500 * 28 = 6,930,000
    247,500 * 22 = 5,445,000 * 2.1 = 11,434,500
    18,364,500 total
    
    40 HL         425% * 50000 = 212,500 * 1.1 = 233,750
    233,750 * 22 = 5,142,500
    233,750 * 18 = 4,207,500 * 2.1 = 8,835,750
    13,978,250 total
    
    120 LoD Hits  180% * 50000 = 90,000  * 1.1 = 99,000
    99,000 * 66 = 6,534,000
    99,000 * 54 = 5,346,000 * 2.1 = 11,226,600
    17,760,600 total
    
    1000 JoL Hits 20%  * 50000 = 10,000  * 1.1 = 11,000
    11,000 * 550 = 6,050,000
    11,000 * 450 = 4,950,000 * 2.1 = 10,395,000
    16,445,000 total
    
    70 Tyr's Hits 150% * 50000 = 75,000  * 1.1 = 82,500
    82,500 * 39 = 3,217,500
    82,500 * 31 = 2,557,500 * 2.1 = 5,370,750
    8,588,250 total
    Grand total of 97,026,600 healing

    Versus

    50738 int
    45.65% crit
    9,95% vers

    ROUNDING UP hard on crit casts and healing per cast
    Code:
    50 shocks     400% * 50738 = 202,952 * 1.0995 = 223,146
    223,146 * 4 = 892,584
    223,146 * 46 = 10,265,716 * 2 = 20,529,432
    21,422,016 total
    
    50 FoL        450% * 50738 = 228,321 * 1.0995 = 251.039
    251.039 * 27 = 6,778,053
    251.039 * 23 = 5,773,897 * 2 = 11,547,794
    18,325,847 total
    
    40 HL         425% * 50738 = 215,636.5 * 1.0995 = 237,093
    237,093 * 22 = 5,216.046
    237,093 * 18 = 4,267,674 * 2 = 8,535,348
    13,751,394 total
    
    120 LoD Hits  180% * 50738 = 91,328.4  * 1.0995 = 100,416
    100,416 * 65 = 6,527,040
    100,416* 55 = 5,522,880 * 2 = 11,045,760
    17,572,800 total
    
    1000 JoL Hits 20%  * 50738 = 10,147.6  * 1.0995 = 11,158
    11,158 * 543 = 6,058,794
    11,158 * 457 = 5,099,206 * 2 = 10,198,412
    16,257,206 total
    
    70 Tyr's Hits 150% * 50738 = 76,107  * 1.0995 = 83,680
    83,680 * 38 = 3,179,840
    83,680 * 32 = 2,677,760 * 2 = 5,355,520
    8,535,360 total
    Grand total of 95,864,623 healing
    makes it a loss of 1,161,977mil healing


    It basicly comes down to this. If nearly half your healing done is critical strikes increasing that healing done by 5% is a rather big bonus. increasing say a Flash of Light(450% 50k int) that hits for 225k by 5% is 11,250 healing. That actually requires 2500 intellect. Which is a rather large amount. If you have average stat weights of around 1. that is still 2500 stats. And a cloak simply does not provide a lot of stats. You only gain 973 stats from switching to the 925 cloak.
    Getting a 4piece would buff that amount. But if i take your 908k hps log from krosus You used 35 IoL on 11 HL and 24 FoL casts. Say all 42 of your FoL Casts where buffed so 18 of those 390k average casts where buffed by 50% you would gain 3.5mil on a 329mil healing done log. Where the math down below is showing a loss of 1mil per 100mil healing already. I simply don't think it's ever worth dropping the cloak. No matter what i play with on dreamguards spreadsheet i can't get ahead of the cloak.

    Anyways i hope it helps Did see you questioning cloak on the discord but that's not really a place for replies like this.

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    @Narsilon - it helps in proving drape is better than any other current cloak just comparing one piece to the other. This information wasn't refuted, although thanks for putting the time into that. The situation I had in mind was a little more in depth to other pieces and including the relying on a tier cloak to include 4 piece and all other bis pieces of gear including legendaries/trinkets/the right stats on specific pieces/etc.

    The question being, given a set of gear that had stats complementing each other perfectly and the only way to achieve 4 piece in this situation was to use the cloak piece, would it be worth it then to drop shame and gain 4 piece, or would 4 piece not be worth the raw amount of stats you now have in that 'perfect' set of gear with a 10% gain to crit healing. Honestly I'm reaching with the idea, and I'm tired with it, and mostly impatient with gathering all the necessary information. My phenomenal conversation in discord was only to ask about this imaginary gear scenario, but it derailed quickly. The simple fact at least without this magical theoretical set of gear is that drape is pretty much bis until perhaps 7.2.

  19. #959
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    I recently added some math to the Holy Paladin model I'm working on (a fork from Dreamguard's spreadsheet) to give people an indication of the value of the equip effect of Drape of Shame. You can find that here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...YYiGTMwWw/edit

    I added comments to try and explain my reasoning behind this math;
    The Drape of Shame equip is worth about 64 item levels, making a 855 version about equal to a cloak around 919 item level.
    This is calculated by calculating the HPS increase of the cloak and dividing that by precalculated HPS increase per item level for cloaks.

    The precalculated HPS increase per item level for cloaks was calculating by taking the HPS increase of the DoS equip effect (in my example 2.61%) and finding a cloak that would be about as big an upgrade to a 855 DoS as that. I found that a 930 item level DoS would be a 2.63% HPS increase. That's a 75 item level upgrade, so the HPS per cloak item level is 2.63% / 75 = 0.00035.
    This won't be 100% accurate for everyone but it is really close and will answer most questions.
    This value is reduced by 10% since this spreadsheet has static overhealing percentages and the effect from the DoS is likely to account for a little bit more overhealing, 10% should be a safe guess.
    The question being, given a set of gear that had stats complementing each other perfectly and the only way to achieve 4 piece in this situation was to use the cloak piece, would it be worth it then to drop shame and gain 4 piece, or would 4 piece not be worth the raw amount of stats you now have in that 'perfect' set of gear with a 10% gain to crit healing. Honestly I'm reaching with the idea, and I'm tired with it, and mostly impatient with gathering all the necessary information. My phenomenal conversation in discord was only to ask about this imaginary gear scenario, but it derailed quickly. The simple fact at least without this magical theoretical set of gear is that drape is pretty much bis until perhaps 7.2.
    You can toggle the 4 set and DoS equipped toggles in Dreamguard's (or mine if you want to work with a beta version) spreadsheet to compare their values. I believe the value of 4 set greatly depends on how you use it and some people will get a poor bonus out of it relative to regular gear while others will get a big bonus out of it. The main point to look at is how many IoLs you use on FoL. If you don't do that often then your 4 set value is mostly in the time reduction of a HL casts which has questionable HPS benefits.

    I personally would pick 4 set with a decent item level cloak over DoS every time. The stat upgrade from a 855 to a 890 is already half the necessary HPS needed to beat the cloak, so 4 set only has to compete with the other half of the effect which is less than 1.5% HPS which it should be able to beat fairly easily. It's also only temporary until you get tier helm (I presume) so there isn't a really high need to figure it out. The benefit of equipping it early is you get to play with 4 set which is a bit more fun and allows you to optimize your usage of it earlier.

  20. #960

    I need help please

    Hi there
    for some time now ive felt my heals are extremely below par to what other holy pallies are healing at and dont really want them to be this low to be honest
    i dont really understand what stats i should be looking for in gear, or how to react when damage come as im sure you can see in the logs below
    i dont really have a problem with mana but im sure that will change once i start understanding the right rotations and talents to use, i do roughly understand the talents and that im meant to yous aura of saccrifce and the judgement talent but i struggle understand when to use them effeiciently though out the boss fights
    any help or suggestions on how to improve or what im doing wrong would be gratefully appreciated
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    Erusis
    Armory
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Erusis/simple
    Last 2 raid combat logs
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...ulty=0&wipes=2
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...4&type=summary
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...tical&source=8

    thanks for the help look forward to reading your suggestions
    Last edited by travistt; 2017-02-28 at 07:00 PM.

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