Hearthstone Informing Lore

[Golden Yak]

So! Was poking around the Hearthstone wiki and found this piece of artwork:

http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Fil...ector_full.jpg

That is a humanoid Sha, working for one of the big three factions in 'Mean Streets of Gadgetzan'. Described as "super evil, super old, and super greedy, and is rumored to whisper the name "Shaohao".

And yes, I know the stuff depicted in Hearthstone is separate from World of Warcraft lore as a whole... but there's no hard rule that anything new introduced through Hearthstone can never be a part of primary WoW lore. If some element created for Hearthstone is awesome enough and can be made to fit (and in a universe like Warcraft it is very easy to find some kind of viable justification to make just about anything fit), then why not try and include it?

I've been of that opinion for a while, and Shaku is just the latest being I've seen that would be awesome to have in WoW, and the one that finally pushed me to make this thread. Hearthstone is pretty jokey and comedic sure, but a sentient, humanoid Sha entity that can endure the demise of Y'Shaarj's power and the other, more monstrous Sha... that'd be pretty serious, actually. The entire series has a number of cool creatures - a fully sentient variety of virmen, some kind of evil troll warlock-druid that can turn into demons, the Kabal faction of arakkoa, blood elves, and various other sorcerous types seems pretty interesting.

I think it would be worth migrating over a few Hearthstone concept into WoW, don't you?

edit - BTWubs, you can get a better idea of what Hearthstone concepts are introduced by checking out the full art galleries here: http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Full_art

[Gaidax]

They pretty much told straight during Blizzcon that Hearthstone is not canon, which is what allows them to make silly stuff to begin with.

[Deleted]

They pretty much told straight during Blizzcon that Hearthstone is not canon, which is what allows them to make silly stuff to begin with.

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Sir_Finley_Mrrgglton
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Morgl_the_Oracle
http://wow.gamepedia.com/One_Night_in_Karazhan
N'Zoth appearance being unveiled in HS

So they can and they do move something from HS to WoW sometimes.

[Arrashi]

Pandas are working with sha now ?

#Garroshdidnothingwrong #Bringourboyback

[Cl4nK]

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Sir_Finley_Mrrgglton
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Morgl_the_Oracle
http://wow.gamepedia.com/One_Night_in_Karazhan
N'Zoth appearance being unveiled in HS

So they can and they do move something from HS to WoW sometimes.

Yes, but unless they officially appear in WoW or are officialized by Blizzard itself, they're not canon by default.

[Golden Yak]

They pretty much told straight during Blizzcon that Hearthstone is not canon, which is what allows them to make silly stuff to begin with.

Already addressed this point.

And yes, I know the stuff depicted in Hearthstone is separate from World of Warcraft lore as a whole... but there's no hard rule that anything new introduced through Hearthstone can never be a part of primary WoW lore. If some element created for Hearthstone is awesome enough and can be made to fit (and in a universe like Warcraft it is very easy to find some kind of viable justification to make just about anything fit), then why not try and include it?

'Why not' indeed~?!

Pandas are working with sha now ?

#Garroshdidnothingwrong #Bringourboyback

Well, every faction is a criminal one. So we're getting the worst of Pandaria, it seems.

[Gaidax]

I'll just leave this here for those still stubborn:

https://twitter.com/muffinus/status/617423640099991553


If you actually watched Blizzcon 2016 it was reiterated again that Hearthstone is not canon and as such it allows them to introduce stuff there, which otherwise would not be possible.

[FelPlague]

as gaidax linked
its a game IN WOW we can see it here and there
outside of the shrines in pandaria
in your garrison
one in one of the ship cars in grimrail depot
those are the locations i know

so yes well most of it is cannon, its a game in the game, so its made up, so not all of it is cannon

[StationaryHawk]

I'll just leave this here for those still stubborn:

https://twitter.com/muffinus/status/617423640099991553


If you actually watched Blizzcon 2016 it was reiterated again that Hearthstone is not canon and as such it allows them to introduce stuff there, which otherwise would not be possible.

And yes, I know the stuff depicted in Hearthstone is separate from World of Warcraft lore as a whole... but there's no hard rule that anything new introduced through Hearthstone can never be a part of primary WoW lore. If some element created for Hearthstone is awesome enough and can be made to fit (and in a universe like Warcraft it is very easy to find some kind of viable justification to make just about anything fit), then why not try and include it?

In other words, the OP is asking a hypothetical "what if" question.

[Gaidax]

In other words, the OP is asking a hypothetical "what if" question.

It could be interesting, but TBH such things should be very carefully considered because as a whole outside silly stuff, lore should make sense and adding meaningful things randomly because cool can backfire. Humanoid Sha is not some selfie camera here, if you add this then background needs to be added too and it needs to make sense, if an effort is made to make it make sense, then probably it should not be added really.

[Golden Yak]

How can anyone not love Hearthstone it's the best



These concepts expanding Un'goro are amazing. I definitely want to see these self-evolving dinosaurs somehow adapted into WoW. They remind me of the Primal Zerg from Starcraft.

I think it's worth asking the question of the OP again. Also, what other regions of WoW would you want to see expanded on like what Hearthstone has done with Un'goro and Gadgetzan? And to an extent places like Uldum, Karazhan, and Darkshire as they did with League of Explorers, One Night in Karazhan, and Whispers of the Old Gods?

[Silverware]

How can anyone not love Hearthstone it's the best



These concepts expanding Un'goro are amazing. I definitely want to see these self-evolving dinosaurs somehow adapted into WoW. They remind me of the Primal Zerg from Starcraft.

I think it's worth asking the question of the OP again. Also, what other regions of WoW would you want to see expanded on like what Hearthstone has done with Un'goro and Gadgetzan? And to an extent places like Uldum, Karazhan, and Darkshire as they did with League of Explorers, One Night in Karazhan, and Whispers of the Old Gods?

Duskwood, definitely.

The Old God expansion featured cards like these:
http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Darkshire_Councilman
http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Darkshire_Librarian
http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Darkshire_Alchemist
Which implicate Darkshire's inhabitants with Twilight cultists seemingly out of nowhere. Sure, for now it might be non-canon, but it seems awfully strange to include Duskwood here and now when it previously has had nothing to do with Old Gods.

[Golden Yak]

Duskwood, definitely.

The Old God expansion featured cards like these:
http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Darkshire_Councilman
http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Darkshire_Librarian
http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Darkshire_Alchemist
Which implicate Darkshire's inhabitants with Twilight cultists seemingly out of nowhere. Sure, for now it might be non-canon, but it seems awfully strange to include Duskwood here and now when it previously has had nothing to do with Old Gods.

Exactly! If they ever revamp Darkshire to the extent they did with Gadgetzan, it could become the 'Innsmouth' of WoW.

[Nibelheimy]

People are being dense, things from WoW are cannon in hearthstone, things that are in Hearthstone could become cannon in WoW (If you think N'Zoth isn't going to look like his hearthstone depiction you're stupid) You don't want a parrot mount? You don't want N'zoths crew of Davey Jones squidfaces led by undead admiral proudmoore? Lets have fun and use our imagination people. (Disagreeing is redundant considering Sir Finley is in game as we speak)

[Grapefruitsnz]

Duskwood, definitely.

The Old God expansion featured cards like these:
http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Darkshire_Councilman
http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Darkshire_Librarian
http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Darkshire_Alchemist
Which implicate Darkshire's inhabitants with Twilight cultists seemingly out of nowhere. Sure, for now it might be non-canon, but it seems awfully strange to include Duskwood here and now when it previously has had nothing to do with Old Gods.

Should check out the rogue artifact questlines in Darkshire.

[Arrashi]

How can anyone not love Hearthstone it's the best


I think it's worth asking the question of the OP again. Also, what other regions of WoW would you want to see expanded on like what Hearthstone has done with Un'goro and Gadgetzan? And to an extent places like Uldum, Karazhan, and Darkshire as they did with League of Explorers, One Night in Karazhan, and Whispers of the Old Gods?

I would love siege of orgrimmar themed expansion. Just imagine the card potential.

"If its not master race, get out of my face" exile target minion.
"Ethnic cleansing" Target a tribe minion. Destroy all minion who share its tribe.
"Children meatshield" 0/2 taunt - all minions that damaged this minion get -3/-0
"Forced combatant" a random minion
"Racial superiority" Give a tribal minion +2/+2 and +1/+1 to all minions who share its tribe.
"Holocaust" Deal 1-7 damage to all minions.
"Human target" another taunt minion.


All cards would of course be in the cheerfull and colorful stylistic.

[Deleted]

as gaidax linked
its a game IN WOW we can see it here and there
outside of the shrines in pandaria
in your garrison
one in one of the ship cars in grimrail depot
those are the locations i know

so yes well most of it is cannon, its a game in the game, so its made up, so not all of it is cannon

I wonder is it canon in OW also, since in several places you can see computers with HS. and if HS is a thing in OW, is WoW also?

OT: Nothing stops blizz from taking some interesting parts of HS into WoW's lore, but question is why would they? Example of Sha humanoid is irrelevant to WoW's lore atm, since Yshraaj's storyline was opened and closed in MoP, so it would serve 0 purpose to bring something like that into the game at this point.

Sure, nothing stops Blizz from creating a mysterious card in HS, which is later revealed in WoW. But at this point, I find it highly unlikely. Since next expansion most likely will deal with Old Gods, timing to tease with something OG-related would have been in Whispers of the Old Gods-card set, but theres nothing there which would fit. And no, lightbringer Rag isn't going to happen.

[Captain Kennedy]

Whilst Hearthstone lore isn't canon to general Warcraft lore, that doesn't mean Blizzard won't take inspiration from it. At the moment, it's mostly Easter Eggs. But I would love seeing some bigger ideas like an expanded Gadgetzan the way it is in MSoG and adopting that architecture in WoW. If they ever do another cata style revamp they could adopt this. Other ideas like Ragnaros the Lightbringer as suggested above need to stay in HS.

I wouldn't expect or be hopeful for parts of HS you like to make the jump to regular canon. But we might see more of it someday.

[Kathranis]

I really, really want to see the "modern day" Gadgetzan make its way into WoW, as a Suramar-style city, with the three cartels acting as a more streamlined version of Class Halls.



They're now putting a lot more worldbuilding into the development of each Hearthstone expansion, and it'd be great to see more of that filter back into WoW.

Maybe some day the WoW team can occasionally drift away from the giant thematic expansions and do smaller, more focused one-off expansions / updates similar to the Hearthstone concepts.

[OIS]

I really, really want to see the "modern day" Gadgetzan make its way into WoW, as a Suramar-style city, with the three cartels acting as a more streamlined version of Class Halls.

They're now putting a lot more worldbuilding into the development of each Hearthstone expansion, and it'd be great to see more of that filter back into WoW.

Maybe some day the WoW team can occasionally drift away from the giant thematic expansions and do smaller, more focused one-off expansions / updates similar to the Hearthstone concepts.

What if the entire expansion is set inside a city?