2018 US Midterm Elections and the Push for Impeaching Donald Trump

[alexw]

This is the thing about the Democrats. They need to win on a local first before they can win again on a national level. You can't just expect a party that's been wiped out on a local level to win nationally.

Trump didn't turn the Blue Wall red through some miracle or superb campaign.The Blue Wall was already red in Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio or purple in Pennsylvania. Iowa is threatening to go to Deep Red States and New Hampshire is Republican.

Illinois elected a Republican governor and is likely to reelect him. Vermont also did that.



Where's that Tea Party in the Red States or Swing States? Winning a Senate seat in a Blue State is hardly a high success.

Don't get me wrong there is potential but it has to be used wisely. The Tea Party didn't just come out of nowhere: They won on a local level first long before the House and they are still there.

It doesn't matter. There are plenty of very red districts in swing states. Here's an example -

Connecticut District 32 (very very red) :
Nov 68R 32D, special election this month 55R 45D

The last time democrats did that well in this district was 40 years ago.

Its too soon to fully tell but all the people in this thread completely writing the democrats off right now are delusional if they think its going to be some sort of republican landslide, particularly when all the signs point to a very activated democratic voter base.

[Delana]

Those poor persecuted Republicans.

To be fair, I'm pretty sure we weren't seriously talking about impeaching Obama because he said mean things.

[Barnabas]

Those 3 democrats that stood up during the speech to applaud, this past week, in congress are going to vote for pretty much whatever the republicans in their states want. Just because you have a democrat tag next to your name doesn't mean you won't just look the other way to keep yourself in office.

[Deleted]

Semantics. Hate, dislike, whatever.

don't know about you, but I always found "hate" to be much stronger than "dislike". A lot.

[Delana]

It doesn't matter. There are plenty of very red districts in swing states. Here's an example -

Connecticut District 32 (very very red) :
Nov 68R 32D, special election this month 55R 45D

The last time democrats did that well in this district was 40 years ago.

Its too soon to fully tell but all the people in this thread completely writing the democrats off right now are delusional if they think its going to be some sort of republican landslide, particularly when all the signs point to a very activated democratic voter base.

Doesn't matter. Literally 50 republican seats are locks in the senate in 2018.

[Skroe]

Even if the Democrats win both the House and Senate, they're going to need a percentage of Republicans for legitimacy. How many? Let's say 10% or about 50 of them.

How do you get 50 Republicans to back impeachment? Trump has to commit an obvious crime, something bad enough and obvious enough that 50 Republicans will agree to back the Democrats.

Impeachment isn't easy.

If 2020 is looking like an impending wave-election disaster, they'll throw him overboard and go with Pence. Trump's diehard supporters in the House and particularly Senate is wafer thin.

And let's keep something in mind: the five most historic headlines relating to Russiagate haven't even happened yet.

All this just has to coalscence into the five words that destroyed Nixon and will destroy Trump:

Ryan/McConnell to Trump: "We will not protect you."

[Deleted]

Yeah, that's the definition of fucking semantics. The only relevant thing is disapproval and both of those fall under that category.

no reason to be hostile and agitated. It's okay to be wrong sometimes

[alexw]

Doesn't matter. Literally 50 republican seats are locks in the senate in 2018.

I'm not talking about the senate. I'm talking about the house. That's a different matter altogether.

[Deleted]

The only way Democrats would have any chance of doing this, would be to capitalise on the popularity of Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders stood to win everything in 2016 despite being a Jew, a borderline Athiest, a socialist and basically everything Americans hate. He had no personal scandals like Hillary and his plans to reform Wall Street, infrastructure etc were widely supported. The only thing that held him down was The Democratic Party. If they united behind him, they'd have the white knight they needed to highlight Trump's incompetence.

[Beet]

Why is there always so much hate when a republican is in the white house. I remember stuff like this when George W. Bush was in the white house aswell.

I see myself as a democrat too, but some people spent their whole day on bashing republicans. I think that is pretty uncool tbh

You're firmly in your bubble if you think Obama wasn't hated or despised. Republicans hated him as much as Dems hated Bush. This is the problem though. People spend far too much time in their own bubbles and never venture out. MMO-C forums for example are as liberal as it gets for the most part.

[Deleted]

You're firmly in your bubble if you think Obama wasn't hated or despised. Republicans hated him as much as Dems hated Bush. This is the problem though. People spend far too much time in their own bubbles and never venture out. MMO-C forums for example are as liberal as it gets for the most part.

I always thought Obama was loved. Had that feeling. Maybe I was wrong about that !
He seemed like a ~whimp, but likeable nontheless !

[BrerBear]

Midterms are weak ground for a party already struggling to find activist energy and money. Also I believe in 2018 the Dems will be largely on the defensive that cycle federally.

If you think the Democrats don't have energy right now, you're nuts.
I've never seen Democratic voters so motivated right now in my 20+ years of politics.

Example: today, hundreds of house parties are being run by SwingLeft to work on swing house districts in 2018. This effort has already got hundreds of thousands of people doing research and planning the grassroots work to influence more than 50 swing house districts.

People got complacent in 2016. That will not be happening in 2018.

The senate, as already discussed, is stacked against the Dems. But the house is very fair game.

[Cthulhu 2020]

2016 Presidential Election - County by County



The Democrats need to take a step back and take a good hard look at this map. This election was a complete and total repudiation of their policies.

The Democrats used to be the party of "The Little Man." The party that was pro union - not pro NAFTA. Now they have become the party of Social Crusaders and Government hand outs. Until they can get back to their roots they will continue to hemorrhage Congressional / Senate seats, Governorships and State Legislatures. Actually the hemorrhage may be over as the party is pretty much exsanguinated. Since Obama the party has lost:

12 Governors
69 House Seats
13 Senate Seats
900+ State Legislatures

They need to stop pointing and screaming trying to find some sort of "gotcha" moment and instead try to become relevant again. Because until that happens they won't be able to impeach shit.

Gerrymandering and voter disenfranchisement sure are doing wonders.

Removing a huge portion of blacks along with dead people to "cleanse the voting rosters" in North Carolina was a genius move to do... a month before the election. I mean sure, cleanse the dead people from registered voting. But they act like removing a bunch of urban voters from the voter rolls would look innocuous enough, just an honest mistake to think a bunch of urbanites were dead, and when they got called on it they went "oops, well they can reregister... and be registered to vote a couple of months from now, no biggie right?"

[Cathululock]

Why is there always so much hate when a republican is in the white house. I remember stuff like this when George W. Bush was in the white house aswell.

I see myself as a democrat too, but some people spent their whole day on bashing republicans. I think that is pretty uncool tbh

Because Democrats "THINK" they have the moral high ground.

[Stormdash]

Right now Democrats should worry about the 18 incumbent Senators they have from states that Trump won in 2016 who are up for reelection more than they are worried about some fantasy of having an impeachment ready majority in the Senate.

[Blur4stuff]

If Trump and the republicans don't actually get anything meaningful done then none of this arguing will matter very much. Signing a few EOs isn't going to keep enough voters on Trump's side.

So far they've accomplished a lot of nothing besides daily scandals and pissing off certain groups of people with no benefit.

[Berengil]

All this just has to coalscence into the five words that destroyed Nixon and will destroy Trump:

Ryan/McConnell to Trump: "We will not protect you."

Trump to Ryan/McConnell: " Fine. I'll unleash my people on you. Enjoy losing the Congress as they sit at home, or primary you."

It's a standoff, I think.

[breadisfunny]

i wonder how many hypocrites who whined about republicans trying to impeach bill clinton are cheering for trump to be impeached.

[Deleted]

Just because I use the word "fucking" doesn't imply I'm hostile or agitated. I'm glad you admit your error though.

you know what they say : A wise girl changes her mind, a fool never will.

[Hooked]

Democrats are imploding, they have gone off the far end of the left wing cliff.