Sweden on the Brink? – An Interview with Dr. Tino Sanandaji

[Deleted]

Sweden should've learned from other countries and from their own from history when they let people act like outcasts (like some "integrated" gypsies) who live under welfare, that most of them will also stay like that. Abusing welfare and creating their own underground systems. Leading a lot of feeling of inequity among tax payers and ultimately to aggression. It's not a new phenomenon.

It's funny cause we never see you people bashing tax evasion schemes from the rich that are essentially the same thing (leave the tax burden on middle class) except orders of magnitude more damaging for society

case of france:

estimation of welfare fraud : ~ 1 billion euros

estimation of corporate tax fraud : 23 to 32 billions
estimation of income tax fraud : 15 to 19 billions
estimation of undeclared work : 20 billions
francois fillon's wife sitting at home doing nothing : over 900 000 euros of public money

https://www.atd-quartmonde.fr/n28-le...des-fraudeurs/


so fuck people like you and OP.
useful idiots and bullies without the brains and/or courage to take on the actual criminals
makes me sick to see Le Pens and Fillons piss on the unemployed, the immigrants, the poor, get caught red handed stealing and then still having to deal with HURRR DURRR BUT TEH IMMIGRANTS

[Deleted]

It's funny cause we never see you people bashing tax evasion schemes from the rich that are essentially the same thing (leave the tax burden on middle class) except orders of magnitude more damaging for society

Never? Believe me, I do critisize them in my country. They're biggest criminals here. Still my point is that the integration to "force" people to work and not to abuse the system (like tons of politicians). Selfish politicians and other welfare abusers are the two pillars of frustration among the working people.

[Xarkan]

Never? Believe me, I do critisize them in my country. They're biggest criminals here. Still my point is that the integration to "force" people to work and not to abuse the system (like tons of politicians). Selfish politicians and other welfare abusers are the two pillars of frustration among the working people.

Divide and conquer: Make those in the population that might object to you spend their energy worrying about a lesser issue (not a non issue, welfare abuse to the extent [it] is real and not a symptom of other issues is an issue) so they have none left to stop your greater offense (supporting or ignoring massive tax evasion for decades for example)

[sheggaro]

Leftwing feminist goverment inviting in millions of people who treat women like property has a nice ring to it.

[Deleted]

Given according to the UN Sweden will hit third world status in the 2030s, why shouldn't they? I know this might sound like magic to you but we can to an extend predict certain trends and developements. Similar to how we are able to predict weather developement in advance within a margin of error that lets us make somewhat decent predictions. The weather people are not actually getting these predictions from mystics or making them up.

The same applies to things such as the economy, average income, crime statistics, demographic developements etc. A lot of these are in fact far more predictable and we can even say how they will likely play out longterm without drastic and fundamental changes.

Sweden third world in 2030. That is in 13 years.
Sweden third world in 13 years.....?

[Xarkan]

Leftwing feminist goverment inviting in millions of people who treat women like property has a nice ring to it.

Ah so a leftwing feminist government leads to a bigger growth in gdp per capita?

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http://ww.rrojasdatabank.info/HDRP_2010_40.pdf

Who the heck is Alex Jones?


True, the Swedish do not deserve sympathy.

Down below is the hdi that report you linked expects Sweden to have in 2030

"0.906"

Which is top class first world numbers.

???

Attached is a map on hdi numbers worldwide today.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...elopment_Index

[Arenis]

Down below is the hdi that report you linked expects Sweden to have in 2030

"0.906"

Which is top class first world numbers.

???

Attached is a map on hdi numbers worldwide today.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...elopment_Index

That number that people are using is not even applicable, as it's from a 2010 study using 1970-2005 data that in no way or shape covers current affairs (immigration and refugees)... But people can't fucking read or understand these articles. They pick some random number completely out of context and proclaim it as evidence for their beliefs. It rustles my jimmies over and over.

[Dezerte]

Any day now...

[Hooked]

We will have to save Europe once again because of Germany, Thanks Merkel.

[May90]

Reminds me of this:

[veehro]

I love how some people think.

If a publication starts gathering evidence that mass imigration is not a good thing , then the imidiate virtue signaling far leftist will go "oh you're reading from THAT publication who talks nothing but how bad refugees are?!"
But they never say that the news they are reporting on is wrong or to show where the factual inaccuracy is.
At the very best they might say "oh but they published some bad articles in the past"
And the very same person will have no problems quoting from wikipedia, rolling stones or CNN (yes that Donald trump likes to be peed on by russian hookers CNN)

I also love the fact how no one points out the 60 min crew one of the most old and respectable organisations for doing allot of reporting was viciously attacked by the good migrants in sweeden

As for the ones giving examples of ultranationalists countries that are doing poorly.
Did you ever think that both extremes are bad? COmpletely bunkering down is defenetly not the solution. But removing borders and allowing every one in a country with socialist programs is defenetly not the solution either.

[Dezerte]

Reminds me of this:

I had no idea it was this bad in the US.

[Deleted]

I love how some people think.

If a publication starts gathering evidence that mass imigration is not a good thing , then the imidiate virtue signaling far leftist will go "oh you're reading from THAT publication who talks nothing but how bad refugees are?!"
But they never say that the news they are reporting on is wrong or to show where the factual inaccuracy is.
At the very best they might say "oh but they published some bad articles in the past"
And the very same person will have no problems quoting from wikipedia, rolling stones or CNN (yes that Donald trump likes to be peed on by russian hookers CNN)

I also love the fact how no one points out the 60 min crew one of the most old and respectable organisations for doing allot of reporting was viciously attacked by the good migrants in sweeden

As for the ones giving examples of ultranationalists countries that are doing poorly.
Did you ever think that both extremes are bad? COmpletely bunkering down is defenetly not the solution. But removing borders and allowing every one in a country with socialist programs is defenetly not the solution either.

It's already been pointed out how this is factually incorrect if you bothered to read the thread. I have also gone through enough of this clowns papers to know that he intentionally twists the numbers and adds baseless speculation without any research backing them up.

[munkeyinorbit]

Sad to see this happen to sweden. They were a really amazing country and I have a lot of fond memories regarding sweden. I will cherish them no matter what is going to happen in the next couple of dark decades

Sweden doesn't need pity from people who believe anything from a right wing nut. Sweden will "endure" the next couple of "dark decades" without you. Sweden pities you.

[Zecora]

Well I know it wasn't from HuffPo so obs' it cannot possible be true. XD

However, Sweden is at least concerned about the problem.

They don't seem all that concerned.

[zoomgpally]

http://ww.rrojasdatabank.info/HDRP_2010_40.pdf

Who the heck is Alex Jones?

A guy so far right he makes breitbart look like communist propaganda. He also does conspiracy theories on the side...

[Deleted]

Source: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/swede...matias-tavares

tldr : Sweden's per capita GDP is not growing because immigrant's don't want to work and only receive welfare benefits

For once, as a Swede, I can say that I like and agree with a topic about my country's immigration.
I only managed to read about 1/3 of this wall of text but it was very well formulated and insightful. For once.
I agree with what is said. He brings up good points, is informative and keeps to the facts.

But your TLDR is a bit stupid.
I've lived on welfare myself and it's not a good life. I'd barely call it living.

[Deleted]

These bullshit articles are becoming tiresome.

But the longer the word salad, the more factual the article.

[Bakis]

OP with his famous sky is falling, immigrants are Satan thread.
His thread creation history is impressive.