Ayn Rand is dead. Liberals will miss her.

[Deletedaccount1]

I like how you say majority of philosophers in philosophy departments like that's supposed to mean something.

The amount of PhDs in a subject who agree on something usually means something. Moral anti-realism has never been a mainstream philosophical position and arguments for idealism haven't been widely defended since Schopenhauer.

[Jibjub]

Where the old school was all about money and enabling business to screw the public at the cost of... literally anything else, the new school is about authortarian domination of women and minorities.

This is where you lost all credibility. Boiling down half of the country to these "goals" shows your bias and your ignorance. It's the game of words the left has been playing for YEARS.

"You disagree with us? You must hate minorities." "You disagree with us? You hate love." etc etc etc

Old school republicans/conservatives wanted to "screw the public at all costs" ... really? You know just about all conservatives are part of the public, right? And you really think the "new school" conservatives' BIG PLAN is authoritarian and minority control? REALLY? Like they get into a meeting and say "How can we dominate women??" (as if abortion has anything at all to due with "Woman Domination" -- yet another lie from the left -- half the babies aborted are women, dude ... shit there are A LOT of women conservatives against abortion).

Conservatives are for fewer laws. More state autonomy. And freer trade.

You drank the koolaide, yo.

[starlord]

This is where you lost all credibility. Boiling down half of the country to these "goals" shows your bias and your ignorance. It's the game of words the left has been playing for YEARS.

"You disagree with us? You must hate minorities." "You disagree with us? You hate love." etc etc etc

Old school republicans/conservatives wanted to "screw the public at all costs" ... really? You know just about all conservatives are part of the public, right? And you really think the "new school" conservatives' BIG PLAN is authoritarian and minority control? REALLY? Like they get into a meeting and say "How can we dominate women??" (as if abortion has anything at all to due with "Woman Domination" -- yet another lie from the left -- half the babies aborted are women, dude ... shit there are A LOT of women conservatives against abortion).

Conservatives are for fewer laws. More state autonomy. And freer trade.

You drank the koolaide, yo.

lets say all of that is true.

so why did they elect a guy who wants to centralize power into the executive branch, destroy state autonomy, and restrict free trade?

[Mormolyce]

The amount of PhDs in a subject who agree on something usually means something.

Not in philosophy.

Moral anti-realism has never been a mainstream philosophical position and arguments for idealism haven't been widely defended since Schopenhauer.

So?

[Jibjub]

lets say all of that is true.

so why did they elect a guy who wants to centralize power into the executive branch, destroy state autonomy, and restrict free trade?

Going down the "all this is true" route with you and your assessment of Trump's presidency just under 2 months of him taking power -- the democrats lost senate and house seats as well. Do you really think it was so America can dominate women and minorities??? Come on.

I know you like to keep things real, real simple and easy to understand ... but its not that simple. The conservative principles are simple: fewer laws (Trump would agree with this), more state autonomy (I don't see where Trump is destroying this at all), and freer trade (I agree here, Trump is doing a lot to limit a global economy ... and we'll see how that goes, I suppose ... the reality there is that people in america want to be paid skilled wages for unskilled labor and they want to buy things for as cheap as possible).

Also, lets not forget that the alternative to Trump was maybe one of the worst candidates in history. (Joe Biden would have SCHLACKED Trump in a general election, in my opinion).

[Spectral]

The amount of PhDs in a subject who agree on something usually means something. Moral anti-realism has never been a mainstream philosophical position and arguments for idealism haven't been widely defended since Schopenhauer.

This isn't really akin to a physical science or other topic where someone must be objectively right and it's just a matter of figuring out who. Much of modern philosophy is a ridiculous circle jerk. PoMo in particular is obvious bullshit; yes, it requires significant depth of knowledge to understand the esoterica therein, but that doesn't really rescue it from being obvious bullshit.

[Daelak]

I think most Americans have a blank spot for everything before 1919 that didn't directly involve the Civil War or the California Gold Rush.

Nullifying Federal Authority, would that not be Anti-Authoritarian? After all it seems your problem is not with authoritarianism but who is the authority. I think in general you have this strangely skewed and very partisan view of history that looks more like a cosmological struggle between good and evil, you even believe the Northerners to be these progressive types with liberal social and racial values.

- - - Updated - - -



As another point, I find it odd self proclaimed Democrats, Liberals and Progressives have no become jingoistic warhawks beating the Drum of American exceptionalism and Imperium. Considering the sum total of America's sordid bloody history, I find it odd people who see themselves as this educated bunch would suddenly try to don this ultra-nationalism whilst also complaining about nationalism.

Federal authority isn't authoritarian, it's a government voted in by the people. As you can see, conservatives on the state level have distorted and over-represented their constituencies via gerrymandering and successful voter suppression efforts for decades, leaving the legislative branch clogged by conservative ideologues that shouldn't have near the power nor influence. It isn't partisan, it's just the storied history of how US right wing has fought equal rights and economic prosperity for all because they don't believe the government should serve minorities or non-Christians.

This hyperbole only goes to show how effective right wing propaganda has become in turning Americans against their own public servants working tirelessly everyday to keep them safe. When you have a hostile foreign government influencing an election and having close ties to the sitting president, everyone should be concerned, but alas most US right-wingers are reveling in it, because they want a leader that Russia has and they want the authoritarian police state Russia has as well.

[starlord]

Going down the "all this is true" route with you and your assessment of Trump's presidency just under 2 months of him taking power -- the democrats lost senate and house seats as well. Do you really think it was so America can dominate women and minorities??? Come on.

I know you like to keep things real, real simple and easy to understand ... but its not that simple. The conservative principles are simple: fewer laws (Trump would agree with this), more state autonomy (I don't see where Trump is destroying this at all), and freer trade (I agree here, Trump is doing a lot to limit a global economy ... and we'll see how that goes, I suppose ... the reality there is that people in america want to be paid skilled wages for unskilled labor and they want to buy things for as cheap as possible).

Also, lets not forget that the alternative to Trump was maybe one of the worst candidates in history. (Joe Biden would have SCHLACKED Trump in a general election, in my opinion).

you clearly havent been paying attention then. he has used and abused executive orders far more than any other president so far, and has tried to intimidate and strongarm the judicial branch. he has threatened to use federal powers to take care of local, state issues, as well as a crackdown on how various states follow immigration, weed, & bathroom laws. and he wants to institute tarrifs, trade protectionism, and trade wars with our allies.

all of which he ran on, and has acted on in the first 2 months.

so, he is not a "traditional conservative" at all.

as for domination of women & minorities, his VP came out and spoke at an anti abortion rally to support them. His newest healthcare plan takes away coverage for certain female only medical needs. immigrant services have been allowed to run wild over people, and legal american residents get caught up in it and their rights violated.

all while so-called "conservatives" cheer him on. so no, its not really all about "fewer laws, more state autonomy, and free trade".

[Gaexion Ramza Beoulve]

Libertarian-ism is entirely separate from Liberalism and Conservatism .

To be fair people don't really lean one way or the other they pick and choose which ideals suit them best, some people end up picking too many fruits from the same tree but no one is entirely on thing or the other.

BTW this isn't news and also this isn't news.

[AzazeltheRuthless]

Libertarian-ism is entirely separate from Liberalism and Conservatism .

To be fair people don't really lean one way or the other they pick and choose which ideals suit them best, some people end up picking too many fruits from the same tree but no one is entirely on thing or the other.

BTW this isn't news and also this isn't news.

I was going to say with you in agreement, Ayn Rand was a Libertarian, and definitely not a Democrat/Liberal if she had to pick 1 of the 2 parties and had no option at all, her belief would lean her closer to conservatism (as most Libertarians view) than Democrat and Liberals (They are closer to Socialism parties.) She was Russian and absolutely hated the ideals of Communism, and believed in self-achievement. She was a supporter of Laissez-faire, which is no government involvement at all in capitalism. She was anti-liberal as someone could get.

Libertarians, Tea-Party movement and etc were the closest followers to Ayn Rand's teaching. Just because your pro-choice and athiest, doesn't mean you can't be conservative (and in the reverse to that, there are democrats who are the opposite that are against abortion and religious.) You'll be surprised a good chunk of people don't let those 2 subjects alone determine their political affiliation.

[Deleted]

the new school is about authoritarian domination of women and minorities.

This reads more accurately as an assessment of the left than the right.

[Jibjub]

you clearly havent been paying attention then. he has used and abused executive orders far more than any other president so far, and has tried to intimidate and strongarm the judicial branch. he has threatened to use federal powers to take care of local, state issues, as well as a crackdown on how various states follow immigration, weed, & bathroom laws. and he wants to institute tarrifs, trade protectionism, and trade wars with our allies.

all of which he ran on, and has acted on in the first 2 months.

so, he is not a "traditional conservative" at all.

as for domination of women & minorities, his VP came out and spoke at an anti abortion rally to support them. His newest healthcare plan takes away coverage for certain female only medical needs. immigrant services have been allowed to run wild over people, and legal american residents get caught up in it and their rights violated.

all while so-called "conservatives" cheer him on. so no, its not really all about "fewer laws, more state autonomy, and free trade".

What benefit is there on dominating women? Wouldn't you say the greater culture is very PRO woman? And that to get votes, you would need to be very PRO woman? This a lie--one of many perpetrated by the left--to get people to make decisions based on emotion instead of fact. It's all about abortion -- either you are for it or against it -- it has nothing to do with a "war on women" ... come on. Like I said, if you believe that a fetus is a human life (which is confirmed by science and logic and everything else ... no need to bring religion into the conversation at all) then you would want to prevent abortion to help save millions of women's lives. Not to mention having an abortion SKYROCKETS a woman's chance at getting breast cancer, of having infertility problems later in life, and of having mental/depression issues. If you are pro woman, you really should be anti-abortion. Unless you have believed the lie.

I agree, Trump is not a" traditional conservative". He is more of a liberal. And yet, the left really hate him.... because emotions. Not facts. Obama can do no wrong, even if he bans and deports and drone-bombs; Trump can do nothing right because he's Trump and AHHH EMOTIONS.

Shit, FDR had 307 executive orders per year (during his 12+ years as pres). Trump is on pace to do 120 this year (15 in a month and a half), which I think is higher than it will be because it stands to reason that after a new president comes into power, he's going to make some changes from the previous one. If he keeps this pace, he would be in 8th place of all presidents. Not /really/ unprecedented as you claim. And not even CLOSE to "more than any other president so far). You can keep on lying if you'd like (or, if we give you the benefit of the doubt, be willfully ignorant) but I'd suggest you start thinking with your brain and not your heart.

The left lost. And will continue to lose, because the country is getting tired of everything being driven by emotions. Logic and facts, please.

- - - Updated - - -

This reads more accurately as an assessment of the left than the right.

Don't waste your time. Its impossible to argue with emotions. The left doesn't like logic and facts. They get in the way.

[Felya]

I agree, Trump is not a traditional conservative. He is more of a liberal. And yet, the left really hate him.... because emotions. Not facts. Obama can do no wrong, even if he bans and deports and drone-bombs, Trump can do nothing right because he's Trump and AHHH EMOTIONS.

...

The left lost. And will continue to lose, because the country is getting tired of everything being driven by emotions. Logic and facts, please.

Sound logic... emotions of the left, ey?

[Daelak]

Sound logic... emotions of the left, ey?

They can't even articulate what Trump or the conservative ideology is; authoritarian.

[Felya]

Don't waste your time. Its impossible to argue with emotions. The left doesn't like logic and facts. They get in the way.

WTF? You just claimed Trump is "more of a liberal", to end with the left will continue to lose? Your choice was between Hillary and some you call "more of a liberal" to think the right is winning?

How about this conservative value... ever heard of personal accountability? It's how you don't get into a quagmire about bitching about the left and then saying even Trump is "more of a liberal". It explicitly means that the left or liberal, is not even defined by political parties or personal claims to adhere to an ideology, but explicitly your own projections. This is you, not conservatives...

- - - Updated - - -

They can't even articulate what Trump or the conservative ideology is; authoritarian.

They use conservative as a shield against scruitiny. So when Trump comes along and they still try to shield them selfs, they go with the ol' "no true Scotsman" argument. It just exposes the shield as just the inability to take accountability for their opinions. I can pretend that conservative means anything I want... then bitch that it's not just my opinion, but disagreeing means attacking the entire conservative population in what they all believe like drones.

If people owned their shit, this whole left vs right bullshit, wouldn't be as divisive.

[Jibjub]

WTF? You just claimed Trump is "more of a liberal", to end with the left will continue to lose? Your choice was between Hillary and some you call "more of a liberal" to think the right is winning?

How about this conservative value... ever heard of personal accountability? It's how you don't get into a quagmire about bitching about the left and then saying even Trump is "more of a liberal". It explicitly means that the left or liberal, is not even defined by political parties or personal claims to adhere to an ideology, but explicitly your own projections. This is you, not conservatives...

Um. Do you not understand "relative" ... more of a liberal (meaning, more liberal than Ted Cruz, say). I'm not saying he's a Marxist. Good talk, though.

Also. The left will obviously win the LARGER battle over time, until the nation collapses. It's basically happened to every nation ever. You get more and more progressive and then you fall. Its a gradual push to the left. The conservative just slows the process.

"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected." - GK Chesterton