Sub Rogue opener with Shoulders? And general sub rogue questions

[ymirsson]

It's not fucking comparable though, you have belt/trinket he doesn't.

So your burst is going to be high no matter what you do because of those items no matter how stupid your rotation is, but also what you don't understand is that your overall performance in the entirety of nighthold is subpar because of how shitty you play.

I understand sometimes boss fights go wrong, I play with 400 ping and have lagged out during all our mythic clears, but that doesn't mean I'm not doing almost 200k more DPS than you on Krosus even though I'm playing from an entirely different continent.

I haven't seen your logs yet, but if you play half as good as you swear and boast, it's definitely amazing.

But as a knife wielder, one has to be edgy, i guess.

[elfporn]

The boots aren't a burst legendary by any means, yours are. The belt is practically a 30% increase for it's duration, it's really not comparable.

it's not the boots that make him amazing, it's the shoulders. He can proc the shoulders buff 3 times during bloodlust.

[Xvolte]

If i'm lusted, i have the energy to spare and it's not a consideration, if i'm not lusted it's not wasted. It's the opener after all, and with shoulders you're pumping as much as possible into every gcd you can.

That depends on how many ES relics you have. I'm running dual shadowblade duration + evis crit so my energy concerns are a bit different.

[elfporn]

That depends on how many ES relics you have. I'm running dual shadowblade duration + evis crit so my energy concerns are a bit different.

This is true.

[Discostick]

If i'm so fucking bad, then stop being a dick and be constructive.

i know i can improve, and i'm always comparing myself, even after every pull.

If you feel moving goremaws and nb outside subterfuge is better, then fucking say so instead of calling me bad and bitching and moaning when i defend myself.

And yes, that fucker santtu should be doing more damage than me, even if i have belt and trinket, he's fucking running shoulders/boots, int he first 15seconds of a pull he should be fucking amazing, and he's not.

And please, if you're doing 850k on krosus as sub, please link me the logs, i'd love to worship your fucking douchebag ass.

You argued, I gave facts and you still argued, you're going to get an agitated response when you are wrong and continue to argue, especially when it's giving the wrong advice to people and making their play worse because they believe some random guy on a forum.

I'm not saying I'm perfect either, I just have actually done my research above and beyond, I make mistakes, my ping fucks me up real bad, sometimes I'll cast shadow dance and it'll still backstab, even with a stance macro.

Until last week I was playing anticipation all wrong.

Like I said I've lagged out every time I stepped into Mythic, so my parses aint that pretty either.

But yes, your rotation needs work, you're better off with SB/2x SS and NB into dance because you don't have shoulders, this whole goremaws bite thing is not good, you need to not do that, it's really hurting your energy regen and your chance of free CP to have more finishers and less downtime of MoS in the long run


Mine:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...l&type=summary
Yours:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...l&type=summary

I really do play with a constant 400 ping, sometimes even 600 because I am forward deployed, so if I can manage this in very similar gear to yours, you should be able to as well.

I haven't seen your logs yet, but if you play half as good as you swear and boast, it's definitely amazing.

But as a knife wielder, one has to be edgy, i guess.

No one is bragging or boasting, is calling someone out when their shit stinks bragging or boasting? He was wrong and giving wrong advice to people and argued that.

Reason why I know he's wrong is that I sit in the rogue discord, I sit on warcraft logs trying to better myself and understand every situation/rotation depending on legendaries, my whole world changed on my rogue when I started using Anticipation so I'm definitely still learning as well, I never said I was amazing, and it is factual that I did 140k more DPS than him in very similar gear and fight length, this is facts, not boasting.

Also, you may sim higher with weaponmaster but that doesn't account for the RNG or proccing finality WM procs and then receiving a 0% finality, so it is better to use MoS until that shits fixed because fuck having to use 2 finishers to get an actual real finality going.

So I'd rather just take the flat 10% damage buff.

[Arker42]

PLEASE STOP TELLING HIM TO NIGHTBLADE WITH SHOULDER PROC, GET YOUR 2 EVIS OFF THEN NIGHTBLADE

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...&view=timeline

Nice logs. Your CP management and overall rotation is definitely impressive. What's your general MO for using Eviscerate (i.e., do you ever try to build additional Anticipation stacks to boost Finality, or do you just use Eviscerate whenever 5+ CP?). Do you backlog Finality / CP for when you anticipate proc'ing the Mantle?

P.S. - You've clearly have some good insights to offer for the Subtlety rotation, just try to do so respectfully. No need to treat others like they're shit.

[elfporn]

We should be no where near each other on damage, you're using boots and bracers, with CoF, more than doubling my uptime on SB. I would be amazed if you were anywhere near equal. Kudos on the rank for that one.

[Xvolte]

Nice logs. Your CP management and overall rotation is definitely impressive. What's your general MO for using Eviscerate (i.e., do you ever try to build additional Anticipation stacks to boost Finality, or do you just use Eviscerate whenever 5+ CP?). Do you backlog Finality / CP for when you anticipate proc'ing the Mantle?

P.S. - You've clearly have some good insights to offer for the Subtlety rotation, just try to do so respectfully. No need to treat others like they're shit.

That's someone else's log I think.

We should be no where near each other on damage, you're using boots and bracers, with CoF, more than doubling my uptime on SB. I would be amazed if you were anywhere near equal. Kudos on the rank for that one.

Are you talking about over the duration of the fight? During the initial minute of the fight, your damage should be extremely high. Belt + trinket + lust is pretty dope burst.

[Deleted]

So can anyone give me another opener for a rogue who does not have boots and no ES relics? I personally like the goremaws one..
Also is a ES 840 better than a Precision Strike 860?

[Coldkil]

People can be right or wrong. No need to pick at each other when you can bring your own weight to the discussion.

Point is civil discussion > being right. It's not a race. Also edgy/snarky comments are completely useless.

[elfporn]

So can anyone give me another opener for a rogue who does not have boots and no ES relics? I personally like the goremaws one..
Also is a ES 840 better than a Precision Strike 860?

quoting myself here rq, i made a mistake when i laid this out:

ProPo and SB@1sec-->SS-->goremaw-->NB-->SD->SS(macro this)[should be at 8+ cp here]-->evisc-->SS-->evisc-->SS-->vanish-->SS-->evisc-->SS-->evisc-->SD->SS-->etc

I actually SS twice before nb/goremaw in the opening sequence there. Goremaw and nb are interchangeable and you can even drop goremaw if you feel you don't need energy to continue or get lucky SS 4p procs that put you at 9/10 cp. I'm still experimenting (always) and i'm going to try something different this week on both lusted and non-lusted openers.

[Discostick]

Nice logs. Your CP management and overall rotation is definitely impressive. What's your general MO for using Eviscerate (i.e., do you ever try to build additional Anticipation stacks to boost Finality, or do you just use Eviscerate whenever 5+ CP?). Do you backlog Finality / CP for when you anticipate proc'ing the Mantle?

P.S. - You've clearly have some good insights to offer for the Subtlety rotation, just try to do so respectfully. No need to treat others like they're shit.

That's not my log, I wish I had shoulder, easily 40+k dps increase

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...l&type=summary

This is my log

Also, that quote wasn't actually directed at him, it was the 3+ people saying the same wrong thing, he was just the more persistent one.

Also, if you look over logs with people with shoulders, their opener will always be 2x evis, after that, you just want to vanish/sprint vanish with at least 1 evis ready to go, with shoulders, you want NB already up and getting as much as you can with evis.

We should be no where near each other on damage, you're using boots and bracers, with CoF, more than doubling my uptime on SB. I would be amazed if you were anywhere near equal. Kudos on the rank for that one.

Look, I may have been a little too rude, but it's frustrating to argue with someone whose generally giving really bad advice, I can't see any possible way of you being that energy starved in an opener with 3 dances up, you have to be using goremaws with an entire energy bar filled, I don't believe it.

Also, I wasn't trying to show off, I really just wanted you to compare, 94th isn't anything special, especially on heroic.

My mythic parses are a fucking joke, yesterday I dcd out of Chrono and triliax and got benched for krosus because of it, life is rough.

I simmed your character via the import option on SimC (not sure how accurate that is compared to /simc)

You sim at 690k DPS @ 250seconds, I would say human error would account for about 30-40k DPS, so you're up there, rotationally is where I think you might lack and might need to focus on.

Also, your opener is a little messed up (besides goremaws), you should pop shadowblades on opener rather than shadowstriking twice, usually you only shadow strike 3x then pop shadowblades with an immediate nightblade IF you have bracers because it'll immediately extend SB, but I've found that to be a DPS decrease and withholding the cooldown on shadowblades is always a dps decrease with CoF, not to mention you're missing out on a quicker evis finisher/higher CP (with anticipation(with bugged finality, if it is bugged... it's been like this for weeks)) after your first nightblade since you're missing out on the free CP shadowblades will give you on the opener after nightblade.

[Deleted]

So you use sprint literally as a DPS cd, when you have 5 or more CP up and are low on energy you just sprint, wait 3 sec and keep going, instead of attacking

[Kwakman]

But how would the opener look like with Draught of Souls. Is it worth to use at all?

[elfporn]

But how would the opener look like with Draught of Souls. Is it worth to use at all?

Worth it. Best place to fit it will be outside subterfuge