I know for a fact that guilds even in top30 are doing this. Problem is bigger than you might expect.
Also account sharing is very common among these guilds.
I know for a fact that guilds even in top30 are doing this. Problem is bigger than you might expect.
Also account sharing is very common among these guilds.
Pretty sure Openness got hit hard, their recruitment message on wowprogress was 'wts xx, Skype x'
There will always be a loop whole, A streamer who I won't name has been giving "boost" runs in RBG / EN / NH mythic to the top donation.
Seen somewhere (think Icy Veins on Facebook?) it was 8 day bans. But I don't really understand what was wrong with boosting for real money yet boosting for gold is fine, considering you can buy gold for real life money.
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Can't wait for people like this to get banned! (won't happen)
Boosting for in game gold is fine because blizzard is able to assist any issues that come up, this can't be done if you use outside of the game methods. if you buy a boost run for 1mil gold and you pay then don't get invited you can report it to blizzard, they will see you got scammed and refund you. if you buy it for $$ and you get scammed blizzard is limited to what they can do.
No permaban? Again Blizzard is too scared to lose subs. Current level of subs must be very low.
Well now that Blizzard sells gold this cuts into their profits.
Your $$$ --> going directly to a guild? BAN.
Your $$$ --> going to Blizzard and then the gold you bought going to the guild? A okay, enjoy the run!
Hi Sephurik
I just don't see the problem with sell runs, can someone explain why that is bad?
People buying obviously care about the game and they are solid customers.
People selling also have to pay subscriber fees. If they can make IRL money with a game they pay for, why not?
Because being able to extract real money from the game attracts all the wrong kind of scum and villainy who will happily do all sorts of shitty things that ruin the game for other people in order to get more money. For example, a lot of real money boosts were sold by middlemen who were goldfarmers. You pay $$ to goldfarmer, goldfarmer gives gold to boosting guild. But what the goldfarmer does to get the gold (botting, account stealing etc) is cancer to the game.
Also, people selling can sell for gold and use it to buy tokens to pay their subs.
Anyone calling for a permaban is crazy, this is a well worded post by Blizz saying flat out that this is a warning shot against the TOS-breaking that EVERY top guild (whether it be real money sales or account shares) does. Every single one. And has for like the better part of a decade, minimum (Account sharing goes back to like EverQuest days, wow raid sales are more of a wrath and onward thing at that penetration though). I have no problem with them putting their foot down finally, but it would be asinine to just ban people for an extended period when they've literally looked the other way since the launch of the game. The reality is, these rules are set to reduce the CS headaches and scams blizz needs to deal with, and top guilds generally haven't been the ones causing those issues, but it's also become more and more widespread over time, and the brokering aspect has gotten huge over the past 4 years or so as well. It doesn't surprise me they're finally stopping.
Anyone not cutting in their guildies was probably still throwing money in the gbank, and just not telling anyone that they were getting actual cash.
What the hell are you even talking about? Maybe you have the wrong thread. This is about selling in-game boosts for irl money.
'disgusting'
War crimes are disgusting. Chalk and cheese is disgusting. What the top guilds do is a bit different. For a start, they don't have their accounts in a pool. If someone has an alt with rediculous legendary RNG and titanforged gear, then it gets put on a seperate account and played by someone else in the guild. Not strictly legit, but certainly not relevant to selling boosts for IRL cash either.
HeyGuys
Yeah that's what the GM of Drive was doing. Taking RL money and paying the raiders with gold but he stopped paying them and had all kinds of random excuses. Something to that effect. There are screenshots and shit around the forums I'm sure.
Guild died real fast when they found out.
This would be more like a sting, not entrapment. For Blizzard to entrap them, the Blizzard person would had to have "convinced" the guild in question to sell to them. Clearly these guilds were offering the services prior to any potential sting, so it's not really entrapment if someone gets the "service" to confirm it's real.
Obviously there isn't any hard evidence - which I doubt any of us can provide unless someone here is Blizzard employee in secret. I can give you my arguments, but it will ultimately be biased. I'm actually not even sure if even Blizzard can give any solid proof that selling runs hurts the game more than botting (or the other way around).
Still, just consider it: if selling runs actually hurts the game more than botting, Blizzard would have taken actions or at very least set any kind of terms / rules against selling run a long time ago. Selling runs was only considered "unsupported transaction", and you can find a lot of blue posts in regards to unsupported transaction vs prohibited transaction, for example, this one when someone asked why couldn't he reported a guild that was selling runs and cheat him out of it:
The fact that Blizzard doesn't take any action, and actually accept selling runs for in-game gold is proof that they don't have much issue again it. In this case, they took action because it was selling runs for real life money. It's the "real life money" part that mattered, not the "selling runs".
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