Poll: Do you like Diablofied WoW?

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  1. #41
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    OP is using royal we, he's the King of Estonia. Relax people.

  2. #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amerissis View Post
    You know, English may not be my native language, but I am pretty sure you should then say 'some people' or 'a lot of people' and not just 'we'. As 'we' points to a specific group that you didn't mention, and thus includes everyone. So you start with 'some people don't like this' and then continue the post with 'we', as shorthand.

    Also, getting personal like this, isn't really helping your case.
    Commonsense is my native language. I assume such things by default. I assume people to understand that when people write "we" they mean themselves and other people who think similarly.

    Are you one of those people who always replies to forum posts "It is your opinion"? Because that is also what I assume people to understand - that we share opinions.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    Commonsense is my native language. I assume such things by default. I assume people to understand that when people write "we" they mean themselves and other people who think similarly.

    Are you one of those people who always replies to forum posts "It is your opinion"? Because that is also what I assume people to understand - that we share opinions.
    If common sense was your native language then you would not assume.

  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by NadEFurY View Post
    Mul on hea meel et me oleme sama meelt Pote.

    Vana hea sõber siin su vanast guildist, võib-olla isegi jagad ära kes, ei tohiks vast väga raske olla.

    Aga nõus.

    Mul on ka 1K dungeonit saba all ja no ei ole fun, täielik mõttetus. Puhas pask mis nad teinud on selle süsteemiga mis nad tõid üle WoWi. Aru ma ei saa, aga njah. Mul on 9 oranži, ja ma peaks olema õnnelik w? Hui, 2 on saamata 1 speci omadest ja mõlemat tahan... hale, raisk.

    Ma istun Nightholdi progressi lõpuni omas guildis ja siis n.ö. casualisin ka ära, see on suht mõttetu mida nad üritavad, lõppu ei ole, kui tahad et miski midagi tähendaks ja n.ö. best oleks, siis võib ära unustada. Paradoks on see et casual plebide jaoks on see perfect expac, tee 1 hc ja BiS of BiS tuleb...

    Igastahes njah...


    English:

    Yeah, agreed with the OP. There isn't much anything else to say.
    Jou, Narade

    Tegelt ma veidi trollin siin ka. Keegi ei saa aru. Aga mitte täielikult. Ma nii kurb nende muudatuste üle ei ole, kui selle postituse tegelik autor (https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17615113696), aga RNG ajab ikka nutma küll. See ongi vist contenti pikendamiseks neil peaeesmärk - panna nii palju RNGd sisse kui võimalik.

    Mu inglise keel pole tegelikult nii halb, et whose on who´s. Ja meelega panin selle "we" pealkirja, et triggerida teisi

    Kuidas muidu läheb?

    Infracted
    Last edited by Darsithis; 2017-03-08 at 10:08 PM.

  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by NadEFurY View Post
    Problem is, EU "official" forums are a joke of a forum in the first place.

    The development is in the U.S of fucking A, and nobody over there is going to bother to change locale to EN-GB for a moment.

    We can't post there, so is it any surprise you see these posts over here? Hmm?
    That's one thing, but on the other side of the fence MMO-champion provides low-quality data.

    Low quality in how you may ask?
    If i cannot estimate how much retaining the customer is worth, then i cannot actually weigh his opinion.
    For all they know the person behind the post has never subbed to WoW, or is just trolling in the 1st place and shows no difference in customer-behaviour.

    See: You cannot just trust everyone who speaks out; especially not if you don't know anything about his actual behaviour and can only act on what he/she says.

    Thus i return thy question:
    Quote Originally Posted by NadEFurY View Post
    Brains, where are thou?!

  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by ngc2440 View Post
    If common sense was your native language then you would not assume.
    These things are obvious.

  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    Jou, Narade

    Tegelt ma veidi trollin siin ka. Keegi ei saa aru. Aga mitte täielikult. Ma nii kurb nende muudatuste üle ei ole, kui selle postituse tegelik autor (https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17615113696), aga RNG ajab ikka nutma küll. See ongi vist contenti pikendamiseks neil peaeesmärk - panna nii palju RNGd sisse kui võimalik.

    Mu inglise keel pole tegelikult nii halb, et whose on who´s. Ja meelega panin selle "we" pealkirja, et triggerida teisi

    Kuidas muidu läheb?
    Great moderating again i see.

    Forum rules:
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/faq.php?...les_guidelines

    Only post in English. As English is not everyone's native language, we ask you to not correct other people's posts unless you are asked to. Do not quote dictionary entries for the sake of arguing. Don't be the grammar police.
    @Shamanic, @Daetur, @Splenda, @Terran
    Last edited by mmoc8b9477f07c; 2017-03-08 at 01:11 PM.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    It was a rhetorical trick I used to divert attention from myself to a larger group of people. It is not just me. Different opinions are great and it is okay to like the game so in that case you are banished from that "we".
    You mean a logical fallacy people use to try and make themselves sound important. Speak for yourself, and only yourself, unless you've been officially made speaker for a group.

  9. #49
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    You can lock the thread, moderators.

    Thanks

  10. #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by hubbah01 View Post
    Great moderating again i see.

    Forum rules:
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/faq.php?...les_guidelines

    Only post in English. As English is not everyone's native language, we ask you to not correct other people's posts unless you are asked to. Do not quote dictionary entries for the sake of arguing. Don't be the grammar police.
    @Shamanic, @Daetur, @Splenda, @Terran
    Yes, indeed, they posted in english the parts belonging to everyone else, and they posted in estonian the part that was exclusively for the both of them, so i think it is perfectly moderated.

  11. #51
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    For the most part I'm enjoying Legion and I see it as a major improvement to the past few expansions. The Legendary RNG is frustrating and should never of been a thing but that should be improved in 7.2 (we'll see how that changes work out when the patch hits live). The GR Rift like dungeons, however, were a great idea and gives something else to do every day when not raiding or pvping. I don't think Blizzard trying new things is bad though after 12-13 years the game needs new things to keep it fresh other than just normal/heroic dungeons you play for like a month before raids open.

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Dryla View Post
    Yes, indeed, they posted in english the parts belonging to everyone else, and they posted in estonian the part that was exclusively for the both of them, so i think it is perfectly moderated.
    Except the rule is english only, not public parts in english only. This is at least in part for the benefit of the moderators, who aren't necessarily versed in non-english languages either.

  13. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Except the rule is english only, not public parts in english only. This is at least in part for the benefit of the moderators, who aren't necessarily versed in non-english languages either.
    I do not understand estonian, but i get that was a message between them, with no intention to exclude any of us from the thread, and as such i think it fits the spirit of the rule.

  14. #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dryla View Post
    I do not understand estonian, but i get that was a message between them, with no intention to exclude any of us from the thread, and as such i think it fits the spirit of the rule.
    What you think really doesn't matter.
    The rules are only English should be spoken. Not following the rules should result in infractions and seeing its Kellen perma ban.

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    Dear Blizzard,

    as a long time World of Warcraft customer, who has played this game for more than 12 years, I would like to make a statement that might surprise you.

    I don't like Diablo 3! In fact, I don't like any of your current games, except for World of Warcraft. But Starcraft 2, Hearthstone, Heroes of the Storm, Overwatch... All those games are completely uninteresting to me.

    You know which of your games I dislike the most? That's right, Diablo 3, the game you are currently trying to mix with World of Warcraft for some reason! I never regretted buying one of your games more. Thinking back to Error 37 and the Real Money Auction House makes me sick to my stomach. Even apart from that, I don't like anything about Diablo 3. In my opinion, it's a pointless grinding game that I never want to go back to.

    With all that said, I would like to ask you to reconsider the direction you are currently pushing World of Warcraft into. I always liked this game so much, because it was very different from your other games and other MMORPGs. It was always a very unique experience. To me, it feels like a gut punch that you keep shoehorning in all these elements from Diablo 3 and other games, as they feel completely misplaced here.

    Diablo 3 is a game with a very low retention rate, while World of Warcraft is supposed to be a game with a very high retention rate. You know that Diablo 3 players will never stay with the game for very long because of the nature of the game, but World of Warcraft is a game that you want people to play for a long time, right? So naturally, the motivating elements of both these games should never be mixed. For example, insane amounts of RNG are meant for games with disposable characters that reach their progression ceilings after a short time, not for games in which you spent months or even years working towards improving a single character.

    By adding all these unfitting elements from other games, World of Warcraft loses parts of it's own identity. When I play high level mythic plus dungeons and witness the wildly imbalanced affixes, I think of Diablo 3. When I have to grind hundreds of mythic plus dungeons to receive all the artifact power I need to max out a single weapon, I think of Diablo 3. When I witness all the grief and disappointment created by the unfair legendary system, I imagine a loud casino with all it's slot machine noises. Just keep playing until you eventually get lucky! When I look at the PvP prestige system, I think about Call of Duty. I never in my life would have imagined to think about Call of Duty while playing World of Warcraft! Do you really think there is a massive audience crossover here? I hope you don't!

    There is so much else, but it has all been said and done often enough. I am very worried about the future of this game. With the approaching AP grind of patch 7.2, I am very concerned that my apathy towards the RNG based reward structure might eventually increase to an unbearable level. I might even burn out completely, especially since there won't be a lot of new content. Players who want to stay competetive will have to farm mostly the same old mythic plus dungeons over and over again, like they did since the beginning of the expansion.

    Was this really what you had in mind when you created this expansion? Having people play the same dungeons hundreds, thousands of times, forcing competetitive raiders and even PvP players to do the same, even if they don't have interest in this activity? Wasn't there a promise before the launch of this expansion that players could CHOOSE what they want to do and always be rewarded fairly for it? What happened to that? You really think that raiders and PvP players receive fair amounts of AP compared to dungeoneers? Are you surprised that so many guilds are calling it quits and arena participation is at an all time low?

    There was a time in this expansion when I had 80 people online on my friend list at prime times. This number has since dropped to 20. I have never witnessed such a steep decline in any expansion before. Nearly all of my friends have quit the game.

    You know what almost all of them give as reasons for quitting? The RNG based reward structure and legendaries. The systems that you were so convinced would keep people motivated for a long time, are actually making people quit the game instead. At some point, the chances of improving a character further are so incredibly small, that it's not even worth trying anymore, but at that point the character is still far from being perfectly equipped. There is simply no way that any person will ever perfectly equip one of their characters with the Titanforging system in place. There will be no completion, ever. But starting an alt is also out of the question for many people, because they don't want to go through all the grinding and waiting again, only to have another character who's equipment will never be fully completed. There is no closure! The game will never finished, and sure enough, that's the reason why many players are finished with the game.

    Blizzard, I hope you to take feedback very serious in these times. The completely random reward structure that doesn't take merit into account, the extremly unfair legendary system that is killing competitiveness in guilds and among friends, titanforging up to item level 925 with a socket and leech as bonus stat from heroic dungeons, grinding AP for months to be finished with just ONE artifact weapon, stop all this nonsense! Make World of Warcraft more like World of Warcraft again.

    Thanks for reading.
    Have a nice day.
    seems like you should unsub because current wow is clearly not game for you

    dont let doors hit you on way out

    and bdw ton of people love this expansion and sees it equal to TBC so again you are playing wrong game

    bye bye

    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    "We" does not mean you, it means the group of people who dont like diablofied WoW, do I really have to add an asterix at the end of my post? THINK with your head.
    or you could at least try to look smart and instead "we" use "many of wow players"
    Last edited by kamuimac; 2017-03-08 at 01:30 PM.

  16. #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Except the rule is english only, not public parts in english only. This is at least in part for the benefit of the moderators, who aren't necessarily versed in non-english languages either.
    Im sorry for breaking the rules.

    Owing to my becoming aware of my delinquency, I yield and succumb to my critics.

  17. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by hubbah01 View Post
    What you think really doesn't matter.
    It matters to me

    Quote Originally Posted by hubbah01 View Post
    The rules are only English should be spoken. Not following the rules should result in infractions and seeing its Kellen perma ban.
    I expect certain flexibility with the rules when no harm is done, as was the case, specially in a forum like this one.

  18. #58
    I like how many people to this day feel the need to correct the OP addressing Blizzard when Blizzard has said on multiple occasions that they watch fansites and WoW-based forums. You can address Blizzard and, while kinda pointless to do so as it likely doesn't impact their chances of seeing a post, it does actually make sense.

    That being said I completely agree with OP. I'm giving Nighthold a fair try in an attempt to return to the raiding scene...and the giant disparity in power between a player with the right legendaries and lucky gear rolls and an unlucky player with poor rolls is simply too high. There's no points to augment bad luck, no system to ensure you can even aim for the absurdly low dropchance legendary your class absolutely needs, no way whatsoever of softening the blow if your luck falls flat on its ass. This system works for Diablo because Diablo is a game that focuses on getting the perfect builds, drops are not hard to find and the "fun" aspect is taking what you get lucky with and making something cool out of it. It works because loot is extremely common but the right loot is extremely rare.

    I can see absolutely no way that WoW or raiding as a whole really benefits from the warforged/titanforged system. I know this may be disagreed with but having a set BiS and working towards it is not a bad, evil thing to be avoided; it's a goal that raiders can hope to achieve, and in the process they can clear the current raid.

  19. #59
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    Narade on vale vastus btw. Aga hästi läheb.

    End of off-topic anyhoo, english onwards m8.

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmist View Post
    Honestly, I agree with OP to a degree, but also disagree.

    They've half-Diablofied WoW, and that causes issues that shouldn't exist.

    AP past the 34 point mark should have been a real account wide Paragon Point system. It should simply replace Exp at end game. Every world quest, dungeon, raid, BG, etc should award a bit. You get a very minor stat boost, maybe a per-character choice of where to spend it like you can in Diablo, so speed, crit, main stat, stam, etc, and make it hard to get a big advantage, while still adding power to your character no matter what you do.

    Right now I want to play my alts, and because of limited play time, if I'm not farming AP on my main, I'm falling behind. I've already quit Mythic raiding over it. When my sub runs out in a few days, I'll probably not resubscribe until 7.2. The end game scene feels designed purely for those with unlimited time to play, where in previous expansions I could eventually drop back and just log for my 3 raids a week and have fun.

    It's all or nothing, and in that scenario, I choose nothing.
    I would have loved a REAL paragon point system. They could even implement the same system where you choose from a few different things and there's multiple sections (such as core, offense, defense, utility in D3). Extra gold find, tertiary stats, or whatever would have been pretty sweet.

    OT: Fine with AP, would be fine with legendaries if they were tuned/balanced better (or you had a targeted system), WF/TF is pretty annoying.
    I like RNG, but this is excessive.
    Still wondering why I play this game.
    I'm a Rogue and I also made a spreadsheet for the Order Hall that is updated for BfA.

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