Poll: Do you like Diablofied WoW?

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  1. #61
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    I can speak for myself so please do not create topics that sound like it is opiniom of all players. I really dislike the topics like this one where OP is trying to be voice of all people.

    I actually like Legion, MMORPG was always about grind and RNG. At least in this expansion casual who spends 1h in the game won't be even close to me
    Last edited by mmoc5633d002d8; 2017-03-08 at 01:33 PM.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    Dear Blizzard,

    as a long time World of Warcraft customer, who has played this game for more than 12 years, I would like to make a statement that might surprise you.

    I don't like Diablo 3! In fact, I don't like any of your current games, except for World of Warcraft. But Starcraft 2, Hearthstone, Heroes of the Storm, Overwatch... All those games are completely uninteresting to me.

    You know which of your games I dislike the most? That's right, Diablo 3, the game you are currently trying to mix with World of Warcraft for some reason! I never regretted buying one of your games more. Thinking back to Error 37 and the Real Money Auction House makes me sick to my stomach. Even apart from that, I don't like anything about Diablo 3. In my opinion, it's a pointless grinding game that I never want to go back to.

    With all that said, I would like to ask you to reconsider the direction you are currently pushing World of Warcraft into. I always liked this game so much, because it was very different from your other games and other MMORPGs. It was always a very unique experience. To me, it feels like a gut punch that you keep shoehorning in all these elements from Diablo 3 and other games, as they feel completely misplaced here.

    Diablo 3 is a game with a very low retention rate, while World of Warcraft is supposed to be a game with a very high retention rate. You know that Diablo 3 players will never stay with the game for very long because of the nature of the game, but World of Warcraft is a game that you want people to play for a long time, right? So naturally, the motivating elements of both these games should never be mixed. For example, insane amounts of RNG are meant for games with disposable characters that reach their progression ceilings after a short time, not for games in which you spent months or even years working towards improving a single character.

    By adding all these unfitting elements from other games, World of Warcraft loses parts of it's own identity. When I play high level mythic plus dungeons and witness the wildly imbalanced affixes, I think of Diablo 3. When I have to grind hundreds of mythic plus dungeons to receive all the artifact power I need to max out a single weapon, I think of Diablo 3. When I witness all the grief and disappointment created by the unfair legendary system, I imagine a loud casino with all it's slot machine noises. Just keep playing until you eventually get lucky! When I look at the PvP prestige system, I think about Call of Duty. I never in my life would have imagined to think about Call of Duty while playing World of Warcraft! Do you really think there is a massive audience crossover here? I hope you don't!

    There is so much else, but it has all been said and done often enough. I am very worried about the future of this game. With the approaching AP grind of patch 7.2, I am very concerned that my apathy towards the RNG based reward structure might eventually increase to an unbearable level. I might even burn out completely, especially since there won't be a lot of new content. Players who want to stay competetive will have to farm mostly the same old mythic plus dungeons over and over again, like they did since the beginning of the expansion.

    Was this really what you had in mind when you created this expansion? Having people play the same dungeons hundreds, thousands of times, forcing competetitive raiders and even PvP players to do the same, even if they don't have interest in this activity? Wasn't there a promise before the launch of this expansion that players could CHOOSE what they want to do and always be rewarded fairly for it? What happened to that? You really think that raiders and PvP players receive fair amounts of AP compared to dungeoneers? Are you surprised that so many guilds are calling it quits and arena participation is at an all time low?

    There was a time in this expansion when I had 80 people online on my friend list at prime times. This number has since dropped to 20. I have never witnessed such a steep decline in any expansion before. Nearly all of my friends have quit the game.

    You know what almost all of them give as reasons for quitting? The RNG based reward structure and legendaries. The systems that you were so convinced would keep people motivated for a long time, are actually making people quit the game instead. At some point, the chances of improving a character further are so incredibly small, that it's not even worth trying anymore, but at that point the character is still far from being perfectly equipped. There is simply no way that any person will ever perfectly equip one of their characters with the Titanforging system in place. There will be no completion, ever. But starting an alt is also out of the question for many people, because they don't want to go through all the grinding and waiting again, only to have another character who's equipment will never be fully completed. There is no closure! The game will never finished, and sure enough, that's the reason why many players are finished with the game.

    Blizzard, I hope you to take feedback very serious in these times. The completely random reward structure that doesn't take merit into account, the extremly unfair legendary system that is killing competitiveness in guilds and among friends, titanforging up to item level 925 with a socket and leech as bonus stat from heroic dungeons, grinding AP for months to be finished with just ONE artifact weapon, stop all this nonsense! Make World of Warcraft more like World of Warcraft again.

    Thanks for reading.
    Have a nice day.
    Its funny, Id be willing to bet when you hit that "post" button you got the warm fuzzies thinking of all the people that were going to come into this thread and flat out agree with you.... but that did not happen. You are the minority , most people do not feel the way you do. The good news is Blizz knows that most people do not share your opinion . If you do no like the way the game is heading go ahead and quit.. we will not mind... nor will they. I would say like the other this is not the official forums, that they do not check here often, but you knew that already. This post wasnt placed here for them, it was placed here for all the people you thought were going to jump in and agree with you... but did not.

  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moozart View Post
    Its funny, Id be willing to bet when you hit that "post" button you got the warm fuzzies thinking of all the people that were going to come into this thread and flat out agree with you.... but that did not happen. You are the minority , most people do not feel the way you do. The good news is Blizz knows that most people do not share your opinion . If you do no like the way the game is heading go ahead and quit.. we will not mind... nor will they. I would say like the other this is not the official forums, that they do not check here often, but you knew that already. This post wasnt placed here for them, it was placed here for all the people you thought were going to jump in and agree with you... but did not.
    No. Actually what I did was copy/paste a post from the official forums. Try again.

    https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17615113696

    But I agree with him nonetheless. Forgive me my delinquent acts

  4. #64
    I have to say the Mythic + system (Greater Rifts) is a solid addition to the game. I really enjoy the high difficulties and look forward to what they can add in the future in terms of affixes. I also think that Legion's World Quest system (Bounties) is the best form of daily quests the game has ever had. Also, Transmog was a fantastic addition to the game.. and even if you do not care for it, there is a large population of the community that loves it.

    Legendaries I have to say was a misstep.. but more because I think Blizzard got over their heads with the difficulty in balancing each spec.

    Legion changed a lot of things and with those changes some will be a hit with the community and some will fall flat. I personally think they had way more hits in this expansion.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    No. Actually what I did was copy/paste a post from the official forums. Try again.
    It's not even your post? You should credit the author then.

  6. #66
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    Now this is truly unfortunate.

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Moozart View Post
    Its funny, Id be willing to bet when you hit that "post" button you got the warm fuzzies thinking of all the people that were going to come into this thread and flat out agree with you.... but that did not happen. You are the minority , most people do not feel the way you do. The good news is Blizz knows that most people do not share your opinion . If you do no like the way the game is heading go ahead and quit.. we will not mind... nor will they. I would say like the other this is not the official forums, that they do not check here often, but you knew that already. This post wasnt placed here for them, it was placed here for all the people you thought were going to jump in and agree with you... but did not.
    You seem to know how most people feel and what their opinions are. What i know is most people don't play WoW and that most people definitely don't come to this forum. I also wouldn't be so sure Blizzard knows what most people wants, they have hard times even knowing what their current subscribers want.

    But i agree that if you don't like the game as it is, quitting is your best option.

  8. #68
    Hey guy! I have a hard time understanding simple rhetoric and I feel the need to say you don't speak for me even though that is very obvious to everyone who reads this post. I also assume you are a minority since most of the replies are of individuals like me. I don't really have an opinion to share. But "You don't speak for me".

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    Dear Blizzard,
    As others have said, this is not Blizzard's forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    Diablo 3 is a game with a very low retention rate, while World of Warcraft is supposed to be a game with a very high retention rate. You know that Diablo 3 players will never stay with the game for very long because of the nature of the game, but World of Warcraft is a game that you want people to play for a long time, right?
    Don't tell Blizzard about something they know more than anyone here. They know how many players play their games, the activity cycles. Player turnover.

    We do not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    Was this really what you had in mind when you created this expansion? Having people play the same dungeons hundreds, thousands of times, forcing competetitive raiders and even PvP players to do the same, even if they don't have interest in this activity? Wasn't there a promise before the launch of this expansion that players could CHOOSE what they want to do and always be rewarded fairly for it? What happened to that?
    People can CHOOSE. In the past, people had to run raids to progress their characters. There were nothing else. Now, people can do dungeons or WQ and not have to step into raids.

    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    You really think that raiders and PvP players receive fair amounts of AP compared to dungeoneers? Are you surprised that so many guilds are calling it quits and arena participation is at an all time low?
    Counter question, why do you think raiders and PvP deserve special treatment? Because that is what you seem to be implying. Raiders and PvP should get more for less time is what I am reading between the lines.

    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    Blizzard, I hope you to take feedback very serious in these times. The completely random reward structure that doesn't take merit into account, the extremly unfair legendary system that is killing competitiveness in guilds and among friends, titanforging up to item level 925 with a socket and leech as bonus stat from heroic dungeons, grinding AP for months to be finished with just ONE artifact weapon, stop all this nonsense! Make World of Warcraft more like World of Warcraft again.
    The system is fair. It is just that some are unlucky. That happens with any RNG. It was also like this in the past where Legendary were RNG drops from boss that "Just" happens.

    One issue here is that some players can acquire legendary through extremely lucky roll without stepping into a raid. This infuriate some players because they feel their own effort are not properly rewarded while others are over rewarded.

    This is not a game problem.

  10. #70
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amerissis View Post
    It's not even your post? You should credit the author then.
    Yes sorry. In the heat of the moment I missed this little "detail".

    https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17615113696

    by Keilen

  11. #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    Dear Blizzard,

    as a long time World of Warcraft customer, who has played this game for more than 12 years, I would like to make a statement that might surprise you.

    I don't like Diablo 3!
    Ok, that's cool and you wrote a cool diary entry. But why did you ut "we" in the thread title? I don't agree with you. You don't represent me.

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    We - the group of people who doesnt like diablofied WoW.
    Then don't use "we" in such a general context. Your post seems to suggest you are some elected spoke person for the community.

    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    Use your head and think for yourself please. I am not so retarded as to think everyone shares my view.
    Then use your head and choose words more appropriate rather than defend your incorrectly chosen word.

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    dear potentio
    dont talk for anyone else but yourself
    title is "dear blizzard, i dont like diablofied wow"
    because there is plenty of people who do, a few million it would seem



    so again

    you are one person
    not the whole community
    speak for yourself, not others
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    Remove combat, Mobs, PvP, and Difficult Content

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    dear potentio
    dont talk for anyone else but yourself
    title is "dear blizzard, i dont like diablofied wow"
    because there is plenty of people who do, a few million it would seem



    so again

    you are one person
    not the whole community
    speak for yourself, not others
    I wonder how many more replies like that I´ll get. I explained the pronoun usage aptly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    Yes sorry. In the heat of the moment I missed this little "detail".

    https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17615113696

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    lol WOOOOOW
    so you fucking copy/pasted somone else post
    labled it "we" as in you are talking for the whole community
    and just "forgot" to credit the OP who you just copy/pasted from?
    i will say this as politely as i can
    GFY
    Quote Originally Posted by WowIsDead64 View Post
    Remove combat, Mobs, PvP, and Difficult Content

  16. #76
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    Don't say we ... I love Legion!

    For me this is the best expansion by far and I've been playing since launch ...

    Don't you dare keep saying "we" in your damn whine threads!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    I wonder how many more replies like that I´ll get. I explained the pronoun usage aptly
    no you dident, because there is no excuse, you speak for you, you can speak fro no one else unless you have their whole heartily acceptance that you do speak for them, and that they say they agree with everything you say

    you cant just go "hey blizzard we hate jews, so kill them"
    no thats not how it works, you cant just speak for "us" then say "well i mean the few that agree with everything i say without a shadow of a doubt"
    Quote Originally Posted by WowIsDead64 View Post
    Remove combat, Mobs, PvP, and Difficult Content

  18. #78
    Speak for yourself

    I like Legion, I always have something to do. I don't mind RNG, because I'm playing MMORPG, duh, and RNG is one of genre's pillars. Entire genre revolves around pretty much infinite character progression and player retention. RNG was in WoW since day one, chance of getting loot from 1lvl boar in Durotar is based on RNG

    As for D3's player retention, it has more to do w/ game's reward structure, majority of its players play this game only for 2 week when new season starts, they complete season-specific rewards, and then they're off till next season. Unless your goal is to conquer the ladder, you have nothing else to do.

    WoW offers more activities, but players' behaviour is kinda similar: they do want they want to do, otherwise they unsub till they get something to do again

  19. #79
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    I for one share your opinion.

    So now you can use the ''we'' for both of us.

    Are everyone happy?

  20. #80
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    All Blizzard games are awesome,if you not like it anymore its your case,not anyone else Potentio.
    a thousands of people working to do the game better day by day,could you please respect a while this?also the best enemy of all blizzard games is the own people..none expaicting after so hard work to hear words like yours.we ask from blizzard a lot of things inside the forums and blizzard give us all most.why do you really want from wow?to gives you what?more than give us?oh gosh you need medicine help or something like this.
    miss so much old days with full of nice community at all times,you are not the one who play blizzard games 12 years you know
    ill continue to play and avoid just like this,people like you,who try to destroy with just few words a real hard work for decades

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