Recent Action Against Real-Money Raid Clears

[willemh]

If guilds like Exorsus/Method/Serenity arn't banned then this statement was just crap. Hell Exorsus even openly wrote they were making 100-1000 euro per person for boost runs.

[GSN]

Won't change the fact that your friend will still not find any group to carry him the Nightbane mount because let's be honest, if you don't have the mount at this point you deserve to pay for it. Tell him to wait until 7.2 or 7.3 when he can duo it.

There are NB pugs with ~875 ilvl requirements going all the time on EU realms. Super easy to get into if you want a free mount, people who pay are just stupid/lazy

[Alvito]

Except that Blizzard clarified that runs for gold are not a breach of the ToS and won't be punished.
It's only real-world currency transactions which will be actioned.

Exactly.


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[Deleted]

I doubt this will change anything, boosting has already been normalized and accepted. I don't know if these guilds will stop boosting for real money, those who got banned might but this only adds a middle man.
In the same statement blizzard confirms boosting for gold is ok so these guilds will probably have to sell the gold for real money after, gold will be worth even less on the black market.

Another thing i don't understand is why don't they make those "exclusive" mythic only mounts BoE. What is the difference between paying a guild to get carried on a boss kill and buying the mount directly from AH? Again, pointless middle man, might aswell make achievements or titles auctionable too.

[Gemini Soul]

It's about time, i do wonder what action they took against the accounts thou.

[Gloriandus]

Wonder who the banned "top guild" players are.

[SupBrah]

Woooooooow you people are scary... wth? "The top guilds in the world were making a living off WoW. TO BAD! LET THEM STARVE!" - The WoW comunity O_o. You're endorsing the suffering of another human being you sick FUCKS!. Like this will pretty much kill the World First scene just because the GM's / Officers of those guilds COULD live off playing WoW thus could put the insane hours in to compete...

Also, the spin on this is... horrifying "something that was ok for the last decade is no longer ok because .... reasons. By the by it's still toooootaly ok guys if you pay us instead." Somewhere in the design document of Legion , written in golden letters with the popes piss is "just do the oposite of everything players were used to since vanila". I've seen blizzard do some questionable shit in the past but this .... ow this is in a whole new level... fuckin speechles.

I see someone is salty that they can't easily make money in their parent's basement anymore.

Time to dust off daddy's suit and find a real job, kiddo.

[Gamer8585]

Skimmed some of the comments and some people really don't get why Blizzard needed to do this. Yes there is the general integrity aspect, and weeding out sellers from LFG, and chat spam. However its a bit more than that:
1) This helps limit potential RL scams, and money laundering schemes.

2) If Blizzard was perceived to be allowing this behavior than raid runs could be considered an asset for tax purposes. Its the same reason that Blizzard cannot let you exchange your Blizzard balance back for cash, otherwise WoW gold could be assessed as a fungible asset and Blizzard would have to start complying with all sorts of financial regulation and extra tax reporting. And since Blizzard can control the rate of inflation (through gold generation) you may have US regulators dictating the total amount of gold that Blizzard is allowed to produce. This is a headache that Blizzard clearly wants to avoid, and its why they need to crackdown on any Gold > $ schemes and keep any real money transactions one-way.

[jaber2]

LOL Blizzard

[johnnymcdanger]

Love the only people who are complaining on here are the sellers, or the people who buy their way into runs....

[Kazuchika]

Basically this is Blizz saying "Giving players in game money for services is wrong but giving it to us is A-Okay!" because being a hypocrite is fun

This won't stop guilds from boosting for money.

[mooninja]

You've already legalized buying epics for real money. STOP PRETENDING YOUR GAME HAS ANY INTEGRITY LEFT.

Pure hypocrisy from Blizzard.

What epics are you buying with real money, or are you saying buying in-game currency and then using that to purchase epics is the same as buying a raid run? Blizzard made this game, this is not an altruistic endeavor, they have every right to make certain they are the only parties making real currency off of their work, to think any other way is idiocy.

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Basically this is Blizz saying "Giving players in game money for services is wrong but giving it to us is A-Okay!" because being a hypocrite is fun

This won't stop guilds from boosting for money.

This is their game, their product, you wouldn't expect McDonalds to allow you to setup show in their store selling your own hamburgers, or reselling their products would you?

[Leonora]

Basically this is Blizz saying "Giving players in game money for services is wrong but giving it to us is A-Okay!" because being a hypocrite is fun

This won't stop guilds from boosting for money.

I am curious why this is considered hypocrisy. Blizzard is a company, supposed to deliver something from which they make money. Nothing wrong there. However, allowing others to make money over this game ... and seemingly allowing those third parties! ... makes Blizzard open to trouble from official tax services, and that would not be good. In addition I doubt the game gets more fun when we get swamped by goldmakers.

The reason this message exists at all is that the game is so succesfull that people put so much time and effort in it that boosting services are of interest. A less popular game would not have these issues as massively. It is understandable that people who put a lot of time in this game try to doubledip (having gaming fun and making money from it), well, that is now barred more clearly. So be it.

[roninwookie]

Basically this is Blizz saying "Giving players in game money for services is wrong but giving it to us is A-Okay!" because being a hypocrite is fun

This won't stop guilds from boosting for money.

lol, so you're saying that because you bought a 12 pack of Pepsi, you should be able to sell each of those cans to your friends? Nope, not the way things work. You CAN sell the cans, but you're breaking the law and can be punished if caught.

[mooninja]

They had no stakes in it untill they added tokens and they figured out how much more money they could make if they banned these players and get everyone to sell runs for ingame gold instead. A little bit of enforcing to make some money. They don't care about the players experience or anything of the sort. These bans aren't even going to be really effective either, it's just to scare off a few without much effort.

First of all, they have had a stake in this since the beginning, scamming has been a part of the game since the it went live. When a paying party is the victim of a scam, they are less likely to continue with the service through which they were scammed. Your comment is pure hyperbole, and rhetoric. Plenty of players have noticed an up-tic in this activity, and in no small part due to the usefullness of the group finder. Also, to address the stake, again, the token has been in the game since pretty early in WoD, if this was due to their "stake", why would they only address it now? They've had the same stake from the moment the token went live, they receive the same amount of money from each token sale as they did then.

[kiaranqilue]

Blizzard's game. Period. It is hard to understand for some. -.-

[Fabinas]

Woooooooow you people are scary... wth? "The top guilds in the world were making a living off WoW. TO BAD! LET THEM STARVE!" - The WoW comunity O_o. You're endorsing the suffering of another human being you sick FUCKS!. Like this will pretty much kill the World First scene just because the GM's / Officers of those guilds COULD live off playing WoW thus could put the insane hours in to compete...

Also, the spin on this is... horrifying "something that was ok for the last decade is no longer ok because .... reasons. By the by it's still toooootaly ok guys if you pay us instead." Somewhere in the design document of Legion , written in golden letters with the popes piss is "just do the oposite of everything players were used to since vanila". I've seen blizzard do some questionable shit in the past but this .... ow this is in a whole new level... fuckin speechles.

Glad you and the "top scene ultra best no1-10 worldwtfbbq!!!11111one "players got banned. Let them die homeless in shit filled gutters,naked and shaking from their mouse-screen addiction.

Or get a real job, maybe?

[Deleted]

It's about damn time. I have posted about this full grown out abomination that RMT has become again and again - nobody seemed to even be scared anymore, top raiders who stream openly advertising their RMT partner company as banners within their streaming-frame..., in their info texts, on wow progress....

[Zoneseek]

lol, so you're saying that because you bought a 12 pack of Pepsi, you should be able to sell each of those cans to your friends? Nope, not the way things work. You CAN sell the cans, but you're breaking the law and can be punished if caught.

What country do you live in that buying a 12 pack of pepsi and selling the individual cans is illegal?

[SupBrah]

What country do you live in that buying a 12 pack of pepsi and selling the individual cans is illegal?

Not exactly "illegal", but if you're a supplier who sells cans you got from Pepsi individually than you can be fined or even banned by pepsi.