Why is America given shit over Nagasaki and Hiroshima?

[ItachiZaku]

Not everyone in Hiroshima died and the nation of Japan sure survived it. Stop quoting B-movies like they've got some profound, undeniable truth without even comprehending the context of the story in which it's said.

[schwarzkopf]

are high moral the group rapes with "payment" in food? rotfl

Only the truly immoral judge the whole based on the actions of the few - are you in that category?

What I'm saying is the fact that the US used to have the high moral ground in policy and overall behaviour, not in individual crimes.

It has, in the last few decades, totally lost that high ground.

[Dadwen]

At that point they were still two countries at war, tough shit, war does not decide who is right, just who is left.....

[TheFirstOnes]

Nagasaki and Hiroshima, oh its quelling evil

9/11, OMG 1K DIED, BIG EVIL ATKED MURICA

yeah

1 thousand? ONLY 1 THOUSAND?!

Mate, do you even know what happened during history?

[Machismo]

The bombings weren't done to target civilians. 9.11 attack was to target civilians. They are different. I am being consistent. You just refuse to read.

They were done to target civilians. That was even discussed multiple times before we dropped the bombs. On 9/11, AQ sought to also target strategic locations. They didn't pick those spots by accident.

No, I am not condoning the actions of AQ on 9/11, I'm condemning them. I also condemn our actions when dropping the bombs.

[TheFirstOnes]

At that point they were still two countries at war, tough shit, war does not decide who is right, just who is left.....

EXACTLY!


I don't get what's so hard to understand about this? It was war, no one is right. If a country attacks another country, the other country will take its revenge, and end the war...

No one is right, but...some team will be left, and that team will win.

[ItachiZaku]

Then you feel AQ was justified in attacking New York on 9/11?

I think so. If you have an enemy, sometimes you can't take then on in a pitched battle.

And if dropping a couple bombs saves tens of thousands of lives on YOUR side... that's an easy decision.

[Deleted]

Because they killed millions of innocents for no reason, while pretending all the time they are the good guys.

[TheFirstOnes]

They were done to target civilians. That was even discussed multiple times before we dropped the bombs. On 9/11, AQ sought to also target strategic locations. They didn't pick those spots by accident.

No, I am not condoning the actions of AQ on 9/11, I'm condemning them. I also condemn our actions when dropping the bombs.

*Breaths*


IT

WAS

WAR!

The bombing was used to target BOTH citizens, and army guys. Besides, japan killed citizens in pearl harbor, so....why do we still get shit all because we smacked them back?

It's like when a women hits a man, they go scott free, but when the man hits her back for equality, they get shit...

Are you kidding me?

[I Push Buttons]

Fuck no, I will not knock it off. We don't seem to want to hold ourselves accountable for our own actions, when we condemn others for doing the same thing, albeit on a much smaller scale. That's pure fucking hypocrisy.

How is it fucking hypocrisy?

One is one nation in a state of total war with another nation, with the aggressor nation on its last leg, but refusing to surrender, and the cost of the looming final battle too high to bear, with an alternative available that avoids that final battle. That alternative being the use of nuclear weapons. And what exactly is there to use them on besides cities?

The other is a terrorist organization, hellbent on establishing a caliphate and eradicating non-Muslims from the Earth, deliberately attacking civilians to draw the US into a war of attrition.

How are those two things the same?

[Scathbais]

No, they were not. Everyone was doing it, including the United States. There was no moral high ground. Americans seem to think we hold it, we don't. That's why I don't support when my country did/does it, because I don't support it when it was done to us on 9/11.

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It's not a false equivalency. 9/11 was an attack on innocent people. AQ was definitely at war with our government. I get it, you don't like hearing things that hurt your feelers.

You are really trying to apply moral equivalency for a terrorist attack on civilians and the actions of the US in WWII? You scare me friend. Scare me because you can vote.

The real moral equivalency is between 9/11 and the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. And in both cases the result was the same: they poked the sleeping bear and it led to a large war and their eventual defeat.

[Machismo]

Nagasaki and Hiroshima, oh its quelling evil

9/11, OMG 1K DIED, BIG EVIL ATKED MURICA

yeah

The death total was just under 3,000 people, with more dying in the following years from the effects.

[Deletedaccount1]

I made a thread a few months ago comparing Mai Lai and Hiroshima based on this blog post by Bryan Caplan.

Caplan's conclusion is that people think Mai Lai is wrong even though it was only a fraction of Hiroshima's deaths because the soldiers in Mai Lai did the killing face to face. That's on top of the usual nationalistic or consequentialist defense.

The argument like the one in the OP that Japan's crimes justified a quick end to the war falls flat when you take into account that allowing Imperial Japan to fall created a vacuum in China for the communists to overthrow the KMT and end up killing up to 3 times as many people as Japan ever did during the 30s-40s.

[Mehrunes]

They didn't make the decisions "in hindsight."

Who said they did? Because 'twas not me. Reading comprehension, try it.

If a man is threatening you with a gun and you pull out a gun and shoot him only to find out his gun wasn't loaded, does it make you a murderer?

Japan was telling the US it wasn't going to surrender, and it didn't. And so you're going to stand here and say "Well the US should have known forrealzies that they totally were!"

This is what I was talking about for the record. And last time I checked, the anti-nuke camp on highest levels opposed the nuke, among other reasons, on the idea that Japan was indeed already beaten. Damn, it's almost as if your analogy with finding only after the fact that the gun wasn't loaded was a crock of shit. I also didn't mention them knowing that Japan would surrender per se, since as my second post makes clear, I focused on Japan simply not being a threat, so fuck off with putting words in my mouth. But since you insist on this tangent, posturing is a thing that even countries partake in. Do carry on with your inane jingoistic justification of weapons of mass destruction though, it's adorbs.

[Machismo]

*Breaths*


IT

WAS

WAR!

The bombing was used to target BOTH citizens, and army guys. Besides, japan killed citizens in pearl harbor, so....why do we still get shit all because we smacked them back?

It's like when a women hits a man, they go scott free, but when the man hits her back for equality, they get shit...

Are you kidding me?

Was AQ at war with the United States? They sure as hell thought so. Like you said, it was war, no one is right, but someone will be left.

[TheFirstOnes]

Because they killed millions of innocents for no reason, while pretending all the time they are the good guys.

THE US WERE THE GOOD GUYS!

Japan was part of the axis group (The villains of WWII), they STARTED the Us/Japan war. They KILLED thousands, we decided to strike back, and even though it took a few years, we finally did it.

[Deleted]

Obviously the crippled Japan with its military in shambles was a monumental threat that was capable of not only incurring any significant losses on the Allies, but if given time, they'd rise from the ashes like a phoenix and defeat US in a counter offensive, resulting in extinction of all life in Europe and the Americas. Probably by summoning Godzilla.

Nippon ichi! BANZAAAAI!

If anything, the nukes would only give Godzilla more power.

[Lalabaer]

*Breaths*

*Breathes*

You sound quite young.
Maybe you can't justify everything with "well it was war duh"
That's why we have the geneva conventions now

[Scathbais]

And unlike 9/11, we warned Japan (edit: at least Nagasaki) that we were going to drop the bomb on them. We dropped pamphlets into the cities telling the citizens to evacuate.

[Deleted]

If you really do not understand why throwing atomic bombs is bad, then i'm really not sure what to tell you.