Serenity .. Seriously?

[Cempa]

I finally got round to testing Whirling Dragon Punch instead of Serenity with Invoke Xuen and I have no idea what Blizz is smoking because Serenity is garbage now .. The difference is so huge you can't eventy compare the two ..

Sustained as well as burst is far less when you use Serenity ..

Am I missing something?

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Yeah don't use serenity because Blizzard fixed a "bug" which made it into a good talent we could specc into instead of playing retard, dumb, and fucking stupid ai (which still don't copy FoF sometimes). WW needs some Love too.

[Cempa]

OMG even when I completely mess up E,W,F + ToD + Xuen my burst as well as sustained is better than Combo+Serenity ..

This is not a small difference its double digit % gap /sigh

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Where have you been WDP is the way to go, thats like several weeks already... There are/were plans for making serenity better (there was some info few pages back, about serenity in PTR), but at the end its like Blizz would like from us to play SEF/WDP instead serenity, so they probably wont make serenity better once again.

[Cempa]

Where have you been WDP is the way to go, thats like several weeks already... There are/were plans for making serenity better (there was some info few pages back, about serenity in PTR), but at the end its like Blizz would like from us to play SEF/WDP instead serenity, so they probably wont make serenity better once again.

DAMIT I really like Serenity + Combo and really hate SEF+WDP

[Jaewalk]

DAMIT I really like Serenity + Combo and really hate SEF+WDP

Umm don't you still take combo with WDP?

[Cempa]

Umm don't you still take combo with WDP?

Looking at the ladders and the limited testing I did all indicated Xuen is superior.

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You know what's funny about Serenity? The PvP nerf : it's only 24% dmg increase in instanced PvP, lol lol lol. We can expect this talent to get replaced with something new and more useful in near future.

[Llarold]

Umm don't you still take combo with WDP?

It's a matter of fight length. Xuen can outperform Hit Combo on shorter fights if you are able to squeeze in another full use of him shortly before the encounter ends. Combo is generally more useful, no question.

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Looking at the ladders and the limited testing I did all indicated Xuen is superior.

Misleading, sample size, above.

[dhays]

Looking at the ladders and the limited testing I did all indicated Xuen is superior.

What ladders are you looking at? Looking at the top 100 for every fight on mythic and 5 or 6 on heroic (except Elisande and Gul'dan since there is nto enough of a sample size) the top 100+ use hit combo......

[Cempa]

Yah sorry, I should have mentioned 'PvP' ladders. But its good to know that combo is better for sustained though my issue is with W.Punch, really don't like that ability.

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Well I also was talking about PvE few days ago in PvP I prefer serenity a lil bit more.

[Saverem]

I finally got round to testing Whirling Dragon Punch instead of Serenity with Invoke Xuen and I have no idea what Blizz is smoking because Serenity is garbage now .. The difference is so huge you can't eventy compare the two ..

Sustained as well as burst is far less when you use Serenity ..

Am I missing something?

Holy shit, I am in the same camp as you. I literally tried SEF yesterday after finally giving in and holy shit the damage difference dude. Keep in mind this is even accounting for the fact that I was not used to WDP yet and I missed several windows to use it which 100% negatively effected my deeps. Still easily beat my best time with Serenity...

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Well I also was talking about PvE few days ago in PvP I prefer serenity a lil bit more.

Nope, SEF is a lot better for that as well. Just make sure you hit the button twice to get all your clones on your target.

Only thing I didn't really like for PvP is how WDP roots you in place when you use it. I miss like 33% of the attacks with it because people just run out of range. If it's going to root you, the least it can do is make you parry or dodge 100% of attacks like how the DH Blade Dance works (except you can also move while using Blade Dance).

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Looking at the ladders and the limited testing I did all indicated Xuen is superior.

Yes, Xuen is better than Combo now after the PvP nerf. Combo is only 8% max buff in PvP and although Xuen also got nerfed, in short to medium fights, it's still the highest damage ability you do.

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I see, but am pretty bad at PvP, before sets it was ok PvP-ing, but now slots are so limited, you cant get so easily upgrades from PvP, or Im wrong?
Is it worthy learning the PvP scene, am doing pretty good in PvE but never played ranked PvP (so many classes/sepcs to learn their skills/outs...).