Turkish foreign minister campaigning in Western Europe

[Deleted]

If you're dumb enough to believe your state controlled propaganda machine, nothing will enlighten you from that kind of ignorance.
Erdogan is more pathetic than Trump, can take far less criticism...well, he doesn't even allow criticism. He's a fucking megalomaniac. He's lied so much he believes his own lies and thinks himself th chosen one.

Unfortunately propaganda makes very good use of the way we humans learn stuff. If you repeat something often enough then people will start to believe it. So if all you ever get to hear is one point of view, then that will be your point of view. Of course this won't work on everyone at the same time, but it works good enough for governments to be able to steer the people in directions that they want. You can see this happening time and time again in history, people are pissed off, there comes this guy who blames some other people, now these other people need to die. It's so depressing..

[MCMLXXXII]

If it's so similar, why the bitching about the police in Turkey?

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Adding you too. I made a mistake by tolerating trolls here.

Welcome to defense mode man. I'm not saying anything about Turkish police. I'm just saying if you don't follow police orders, anywhere inb the world, you'll get your ass whooped.

[HolgerDK]

If it's so similar, why the bitching about the police in Turkey?

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Adding you too. I made a mistake by tolerating trolls here.

Aaawww, and i didnt even argue with you. Such thin skin

[Vestig3]

Already added him to the ignore for being ignorant.

[Deleted]

If it's so similar, why the bitching about the police in Turkey?

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Adding you too. I made a mistake by tolerating trolls here.

You're really emulating your Great Leader Erdogan with this behavior.

[Deleted]

There are ways to detain people who are disturbing the public order. Hitting them with metal, and making dogs bite them is not among those methods. What we have observed here is manifestation of some sort of hatred, possibly towards Turks.

Oh please, stop it. First of all, they were not allowed to demonstrate there in the first place. There was a designated place for them to protest, which they ignored. Then the ME notifies you several times to leave the area, which ofcourse some won't do and provocate. Not to mention the throwing of bricks towards the police and attacking them. If you do not leave, you have only yourself to blame for what happens next. And this is coming from someone who used to be involved in football riots 20 years ago. I know exactly what goes down.

edit: they even had way more patience compared to football riots, usually it is 2 warnings at the most before they charge in. Most people left, and just as with almost any demonstration or a football related riot for example, just a few think they're tough guys and won't move or simply ignore what is being said. As i said before, whatever happens next is solely on your own doing.

[Deleted]

They were not trying to undermine your government. You are either using the wrong word, or highly paranoid.

They clearly where trying to undermine the Dutch government. The Dutch government clearly stated that they would not have a Turkish representative speaking about something that the Dutch clearly see as a blatant grab for power. The Turkish government then undermined this decision by sending another representative even under false pretences.

And before you start, this minister doesn't have any right to speak in a foreign nation. The people of the nation have a right to free speech, other regimes do not have the right to spread their propaganda to other nations.

[Kuntantee]

Welcome to defense mode man. I'm not saying anything about Turkish police. I'm just saying if you don't follow police orders, anywhere inb the world, you'll get your ass whooped.

I am not defending Turkish police, fuck them and I am not in defense mode. The only group who are in defense mode in this thread are Dutch and some Europeans, right from the start.

I am pretty sure a good portion of Europeans, at some point in time, criticized Turkish police and their methods. They were right and I've stated it many times. However, here people are telling me it's not so different than in Turkey, without commenting on the way things are handled, especially dog bite and stuff, or outright approving the methods employed.

What you people need to realize is that you are not so different than people who you call "Erdoturks". Your (not specifically you, but most in this thread) brains function the same way; ignore problems of your own state, cry about others' mistakes/bad exercises.

This is easily observable in this thread, for those who are smart enough to observe.

[MCMLXXXII]

Not manifestation but misinformation.
Turkish media seem to show nothing except those couple of people who got into a fight with the police.
I watched it live on tv. People came to protest, they were friendly and at the end they went home.


You're correct in one thing: It's different with Farage.
It is actually worse, since Farage was meddling in Dutch politics.


It's wrong to abuse the law for political gain. That's exactly what the VVD has done here.

Why? Because we allow them to do the same thing we do ourselves and let others do?
There is no bowing involved whatsoever, only a bunch of retarded citizens believe this.
And the only reason anyone is paying attention to that dumb idea is because we have an election on Wednesday.
It's the VVD trying to take votes from the PVV by randomly acting like a bunch of fools towards some 'Islamic country'.
If this happened during any other period it wouldn't even be in the news and they could have their speech.

Let's face reality: Erdotroll trolled the shit out of us and we took the bait.

Hold on to your Tin foil hat bro, it;s completely reasonable not to let foreign ministers in your country to rally people about a foreign referendum.

[Deleted]

Unfortunately propaganda makes very good use of the way we humans learn stuff. If you repeat something often enough then people will start to believe it. So if all you ever get to hear is one point of view, then that will be your point of view. Of course this won't work on everyone at the same time, but it works good enough for governments to be able to steer the people in directions that they want. You can see this happening time and time again in history, people are pissed off, there comes this guy who blames some other people, now these other people need to die. It's so depressing..

You have a choice to not listen. You can easily access outside sources with the internet, which is to my knowledge not blocked in any Turkey. A person chooses to be ignorant. There is no excuse for it.

[Succath]

They were not trying to undermine your government. You are either using the wrong word, or highly paranoid.

What about you being highly naive!! seems more appropriate.

Lets quote someone else so that you might understand what really happend.

How about we correct history a bit here.

The minister wanted to address a rally.
There were concerns for publicly safety and order because a large crowd was expected.
Negotiations were underway to allow the speech to go ahead in a smaller venue.
Erdogan threatens the Dutch government.
The government tells the minister he is no longer welcome and bars his plane.
Another minister comes by car.
Since minister 1 is denied entry, there is no way minister 2 will be allowed to speak instead.
Minister 2 is stopped and escorted out of the country.

thats all there is to it. Turkey is blowing this way out of proportion because mr erdogan does not get what he wants.

[Gorsameth]

Not manifestation but misinformation.
Turkish media seem to show nothing except those couple of people who got into a fight with the police.
I watched it live on tv. People came to protest, they were friendly and at the end they went home.


You're correct in one thing: It's different with Farage.
It is actually worse, since Farage was meddling in Dutch politics.


It's wrong to abuse the law for political gain. That's exactly what the VVD has done here.

Why? Because we allow them to do the same thing we do ourselves and let others do?
There is no bowing involved whatsoever, only a bunch of retarded citizens believe this.
And the only reason anyone is paying attention to that dumb idea is because we have an election on Wednesday.
It's the VVD trying to take votes from the PVV by randomly acting like a bunch of fools towards some 'Islamic country'.
If this happened during any other period it wouldn't even be in the news and they could have their speech.

Let's face reality: Erdotroll trolled the shit out of us and we took the bait.

And we ourselves comply when the host nation wants to change the venue over public safety and order concerns. And we then do NOT threatened the host nation, which is where Turkey went wrong and where the government was forced to deny entry.
Yes the elections gave this more media attention but if this had happened a year ago or a year from now, the moment Erdogan publicly threatened the government any speech was off the table.

[Succath]

I am not defending Turkish police, fuck them and I am not in defense mode. The only group who are in defense mode in this thread are Dutch and some Europeans, right from the start.

I am pretty sure a good portion of Europeans, at some point in time, criticized Turkish police and their methods. However, here people are telling me it's not so different than in Turkey, without commenting on the way things are handled, especially dog bite and stuff.

What you people need to realize is that you are not so different than people who you call "Erdoturks". Your (not specifically you, but most in this thread) brains function the same way; ignore problems of your own state, cry about others' mistakes/bad exercises.

This is easily observable in this thread, for those who are smart enough to observe.

dont pretend you are smart in any way seeing your reply`s and comments trough this threat clearly stated the oposite

[Deleted]

This is wonderful news. Good job to the Netherlands for having the balls to deny them. Screw that goatf*cker Erdogan.

[MCMLXXXII]

I am not defending Turkish police, fuck them and I am not in defense mode. The only group who are in defense mode in this thread are Dutch and some Europeans, right from the start.

I am pretty sure a good portion of Europeans, at some point in time, criticized Turkish police and their methods. However, here people are telling me it's not so different than in Turkey, without commenting on the way things are handled, especially dog bite and stuff.

What you people need to realize is that you are not so different than people who you call "Erdoturks". Your (not specifically you, but most in this thread) brains function the same way; ignore problems of your own state, cry about others' mistakes/bad exercises.

This is easily observable in this thread, for those who are smart enough to observe.

Oh please stop. The people were allowed to demonstrate in a specific area. They left and went to the consulate. They didn't follow orders to leave the area. And then you come to the point where dogs will bite

[Deleted]

No it was just a minister giving a speech. The Dutch made this a situation when they tried to disperse the crowd by force and banned the minister out of the country just in front of the gathering. Then they complained that things aren't going smoothly ... Turkish ministers did perform other speeches in other countries in Europe and nothing news worthy happened. I really think it's not entirely Turkey's fault here ... both sides messed up.

Other countries were a pussy. It doesn't change the fact, that this is a symptom of the failed multiculturalism and integration. The dutch made a faint effort to act like a healthy and converging nation and the whole thing blow in their face showing how utterly failed these liberal ideologies are. Yes, the dutch made a huge error, but not when the first time in their history they acted like a nation, but when they let these scum in the country.

[Kuntantee]

You're really emulating your Great Leader Erdogan with this behavior.

Sorry, I am not in a mood to take off-topic shit. If you have something valuable to say, say it, if not and trying to attack me personally, you're gonna get in my ignore list. Besides, I have just 4 people in lat 6-7 years. Give me some credit.

[HolgerDK]

I am not defending Turkish police, fuck them and I am not in defense mode. The only group who are in defense mode in this thread are Dutch and some Europeans, right from the start.

I am pretty sure a good portion of Europeans, at some point in time, criticized Turkish police and their methods. They were right and I've stated it many times. However, here people are telling me it's not so different than in Turkey, without commenting on the way things are handled, especially dog bite and stuff, or outright approving the methods employed.

What you people need to realize is that you are not so different than people who you call "Erdoturks". Your (not specifically you, but most in this thread) brains function the same way; ignore problems of your own state, cry about others' mistakes/bad exercises.

This is easily observable in this thread, for those who are smart enough to observe.

A quick thread search reveals that you are the first one to use that term about turks.

[Sturmbringe]

Allah seems to love the Greeks very much.

Greece would be in a whole world of trouble if a serious statesman, and a non-insane one, was in power in Turkey. Uncle Tayyip is pretty good at shooting his own feet and turning his country into a mess.

Man, they don't even need the Jews or the Devious Greeks to screw them up anymore, they do it on their own. (Traditionally, two ethnicities are responsible in the minds of the average Turk for all evils that befell the country, Jews and Greeks).

This reminds me by the way, that the Kemalists (Kuntantee's party) almost went to war with Greece in 1990 or thereabouts, whereas under the Neo-Ottomans (Erdogan's party), we have had the best relations with Turkey in the last 100 years.

Just my two cents. Erdogan is insane and a fascist at heart, but not really different than the other Turkish politicians. There is no "left" and and no "democrats" in Turkey. They are all nationalists, aka fascists.

[MCMLXXXII]

Well I'm not saying Turkey wasn't at fault but the Dutch aren't that innocent. We all know that "concerns about public safety" were just bullshit and an excuse to ban pro-Erdogan propaganda. Pulling bullshit excuses like that isn't that innocent... if Turkey really bought the excuse they wouldn't have made the threats (which they shouldn't have). I can only imagine both governments were playing their "macho" card for the upcoming elections/referendum. All in all I hope this doesn't develop into a serious issue.

They weren't bullshit reasons. Recent protests/demonstrations also went apeshit. No need for a foreign minister to add fuel to the fire.