So correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible now to...

[SenpaiDean]

buy cheap Chinese gold, turn gold into token. game is now half price cuz Chinese gold is so cheap. GG

don't do this its against TOS

[Polarthief]

I'm sure you still risk the chance of getting banned, but it would be pretty hard to prove. Also you can only buy 36 WoW tokens in a 2 year time frame.

2 years ago, tokens weren't even in the game. I've not only paid for my sub since Tokens went live, but I'm also paid up through August and gotten well over $400 in BNet balance (spent some), plus I have 8 more tokens on my account. I assure you this limit has been removed.
@Louie De Palma: Yes, I don't see why you can't, nor do I see why you'd get banned for this. You are trading real life things (keys for games) for real life money, which Blizzard has repeatedly said is fine. It's when you trade in-game things (items, mounts, raid/M+ runs which they just gave a lot of people a warning about) for real life money that there's a problem.

I'd recommend waiting for Expansion 7 to really rake in the cash though.

I myself could also do this, but I still buy Blizzard stuff so the extra effort (and lower ratio of cash) doesn't seem worth it to me *shrug*.

[Deleted]

So what am I missing? I buy a key in the blizzard shop and sell it on ebay. How is this not possible?

It's "possible" but as you might know key-sellers are currently facing huge crises of scamming, making big companies rely on heavy authentication processes before sending out a key. And why is that? Because it's not fucking promoted to do, it's a greyish zone by law and as seller you will have to proof everything if something goes wrong (you send out key, key gets used, money is booked back, "key didn't work". Good luck with that you are 100% on your own since blizzard will do absolutely nothing for you and your reselling attempt - no account calling, no time when key used, nothing. You might can get your money back from blizzard, get the code banned and retry - but good luck doing that multiple times without blizzard sanctioning you.

So if you really want to try or do that - it will be a lesson to you. And after that you might come back to the ground when debating this very topic.

[Alaira]

A few things come to mind.
1: You're not an authorized sales outlet for Blizzard merchandise.
2: None of us "own" our in-game assets. Selling them to other parties isn't permissible.
3: You're attempting to sell a gift. By definition: (noun) A thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present.

Blizzard has created a process that is possible to abuse. That doesn't make it legal.

[Deleted]

A few things come to mind.
1: You're not an authorized sales outlet for Blizzard merchandise.
2: None of us "own" our in-game assets. Selling them to other parties isn't permissible.
3: You're attempting to sell a gift. By definition: (noun) A thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present.

Blizzard has created a process that is possible to abuse. That doesn't make it legal.

What.

The Fuck.

Are you talking about?

Not an authorized sales outlet? Blizzard merchandise? I buy a key with my own battlenet balance and then sell it to someone else.

Again, what the fuck are you even talking about.

None of us own our in-game assets? What in-game assets? I'm not trying to sell BoE gear in WoW. I have game keys. I own them. I bought them. I sell them. There is nothing illegal about this. It would be like saying I can't go into a store, buy a game, and then sell it on ebay. This is ridiculous, you have no clue what you are talking about.

"Selling a gift", oh my god, it is called a gift on the site, because you can put in the email adress of a friend and send it directly to him. You can also just use your own email adress. There is nothing illegal about this and it isn't against the ToS. You put in your own email adress and they send you the key. You own the key. It is no different than if they send you a replacement key for upgrading your game to the Collector's Edition. It's a key like any other.

Seriously guys, inform yourselves before posting.

[Ealyssa]

So 6 million gold are worth about 250€ [...] that sounds good to me.

Find a real job, sounds way better wage to me...

Not an authorized sales outlet? Blizzard merchandise? I buy a key with my own battlenet balance and then sell it to someone else.

That's not how software licensing works at all kido. Welcome to the real world. You don't own most softwares. Paying a license only allows you to use it. In most case reselling/modifing/redistributing isn't allowed.

[clevin]

How are a couple hundred bucks minimal payout? Do you even have an idea how much gold I have?

In a $/hour basis, it would take you 20 hours at a crappy, $10/hour job to earn that (taxes etc aside). How long did it take you to earn 6m gold?

[LightClaw]

What.

The Fuck.

Are you talking about?

Not an authorized sales outlet? Blizzard merchandise? I buy a key with my own battlenet balance and then sell it to someone else.

Again, what the fuck are you even talking about.

None of us own our in-game assets? What in-game assets? I'm not trying to sell BoE gear in WoW. I have game keys. I own them. I bought them. I sell them. There is nothing illegal about this. It would be like saying I can't go into a store, buy a game, and then sell it on ebay. This is ridiculous, you have no clue what you are talking about.

"Selling a gift", oh my god, it is called a gift on the site, because you can put in the email adress of a friend and send it directly to him. You can also just use your own email adress. There is nothing illegal about this and it isn't against the ToS. You put in your own email adress and they send you the key. You own the key. It is no different than if they send you a replacement key for upgrading your game to the Collector's Edition. It's a key like any other.

Seriously guys, inform yourselves before posting.

I mean to be fair you opened a thread asking opinions... Cant go getting angry at people for giving you their opinions when you ask for them haha.

[Kikazz]

Why would I get banned for that?

And I've already bought 37 tokens in February alone, to test it, the limit seems to be removed.

i call bullshit on the removal.

i bought 36 tokens when they first come out, and when i go to buy another, it says:

"You have Currently reached a Maximum in a 24 month period, please wait to purchase more"

Yes this is for ingame gold, not real money.

[Banquetto]

That's not how software licensing works at all kido. Welcome to the real world. You don't own most softwares. Paying a license only allows you to use it. In most case reselling/modifing/redistributing isn't allowed.

Sure. In most cases. But I had a good trawl through the support articles and terms of service on Battle.Net and couldn't find any statement that you couldn't "gift" a game key in return for payment.

Conversely, it explicitly states that certain things (such as selling a Battle.Net account) are forbidden by the Terms of Service.

I can't honestly see anything to indicate that Blizzard would not permit this.

But as Hiram pointed out in post #23, you are absolutely risking getting ripped off - and nobody will help you if that does happen - if you sell keys to strangers like this.

[Kikazz]

2 years ago, tokens weren't even in the game. I've not only paid for my sub since Tokens went live, but I'm also paid up through August and gotten well over $400 in BNet balance (spent some), plus I have 8 more tokens on my account. I assure you this limit has been removed.
@Louie De Palma: Yes, I don't see why you can't, nor do I see why you'd get banned for this. You are trading real life things (keys for games) for real life money, which Blizzard has repeatedly said is fine. It's when you trade in-game things (items, mounts, raid/M+ runs which they just gave a lot of people a warning about) for real life money that there's a problem.

I'd recommend waiting for Expansion 7 to really rake in the cash though.

I myself could also do this, but I still buy Blizzard stuff so the extra effort (and lower ratio of cash) doesn't seem worth it to me *shrug*.

i can asure you this is a bug then, as the Current UP TO DATE FAQ since to release of BNET balance on Token, it states you can only purchase up to 36 within a 24 month period.

[moremana]

Your asking on the wrong forum. Blizz has there own forum, go ask there. Oh wait you don't want your account linked to the question...my bad.

If you thought 100% that there was nothing wrong with it, you wouldn't have asked. Then you ask people to give you their opinions, and you berate them.

[Serissa]

i can asure you this is a bug then, as the Current UP TO DATE FAQ since to release of BNET balance on Token, it states you can only purchase up to 36 within a 24 month period.

Nope. Your FAQ is outdated. Current UP TO DATE FAQ says nothing biside 10 tokens in inventory at one time.

https://eu.battle.net/support/en/art...ng-a-WoW-Token. Pick "Limitations and Restrictions" in "Make a selection" droplist.

[Deleted]

Legally turn WoW gold into real money?

I buy a token with gold, I turn the token into battlenet balance, I buy a key for a game from the battlenet shop - you can do that via the gift function - and then sell it on ebay.

Anything I'm overlooking here or is it possible to legally turn WoW gold into real money now?

Yeah, that should work just fine.
You are not going to get banned for 'gifting' your key. There's no way for Blizzard to know who is selling stuff on eBay (unless they actually buy stuff off you and then connect the key to your account - which they might if it ever becomes a large volume shop). But getting paid for 'gift codes' isn't against ToS (at the moment) as far as I know.

You are mostly likely going to run into eBay scammers though. So as long as you keep the goods physical (key printed on paper and mailing it) you're safer.
You'll have to count in postage etc of course, but for a printed paper it's not too much - it's better than getting ripped off by stolen credit cards, or people misusing the "returned goods" function.

[Kikazz]

Nope. Your FAQ is outdated. Current UP TO DATE FAQ says nothing biside 10 tokens in inventory at one time.

https://eu.battle.net/support/en/art...ng-a-WoW-Token. Pick "Limitations and Restrictions" in "Make a selection" droplist.

sweet ill open a ticket, and get blizzard to look at it then, as i currently have the otpion to buy them greyed out, for gold althoguh i have millions

[Polarthief]

i can asure you this is a bug then, as the Current UP TO DATE FAQ since to release of BNET balance on Token, it states you can only purchase up to 36 within a 24 month period.

Well let's do the math:

$400 BNet balance; $15 a token = ~26.67, so let's just say 26
Account has been paid through til August 2017 and I bought tokens Day 1 when they came out to pay for my account since April 7th 2015 (so let's say every month since then and up til August: April 2017 = 24 tokens; August 2017 = 28 tokens
Also holding 8 more tokens on my account.

26+28+8 = 62 tokens bought since April 2015; it's currently March 2017, so it still hasn't been 24 months yet.

So far the only errors/bugs I've seen from Tokens are the following:
- Cannot hold ~10 tokens on an account at once (sometimes it's ~7-9, at least it was when I kept trying to buy tokens on the BNet Currency launch).
- Cannot have more than $350 on your BNet Balance at a time (when I say I've got $400 from it, I mean "I currently have ~$340 and have spent ~$60")
- Sometimes the AH will take your money and not give you a token and then give you your money back. This only happens when there's very few tokens and they're being bought almost instantly (BNet Token Balance launch day).

[Kikazz]

Well let's do the math:

$400 BNet balance; $15 a token = ~26.67, so let's just say 26
Account has been paid through til August 2017 and I bought tokens Day 1 when they came out to pay for my account since April 7th 2015 (so let's say every month since then and up til August: April 2017 = 24 tokens; August 2017 = 28 tokens
Also holding 8 more tokens on my account.

26+28+8 = 62 tokens bought since April 2015; it's currently March 2017, so it still hasn't been 24 months yet.

So far the only errors/bugs I've seen from Tokens are the following:
- Cannot hold ~10 tokens on an account at once (sometimes it's ~7-9, at least it was when I kept trying to buy tokens on the BNet Currency launch).
- Cannot have more than $350 on your BNet Balance at a time (when I say I've got $400 from it, I mean "I currently have ~$340 and have spent ~$60")
- Sometimes the AH will take your money and not give you a token and then give you your money back. This only happens when there's very few tokens and they're being bought almost instantly (BNet Token Balance launch day).

as i said it flat out refuses to let me buy them, and i purchased 3 years worth of wow time when they were 28k per token. 36 was the max you could buy at that time? maybe in a few months when we hit the 24 month mark, i will be able to start purchasing again?

or if i am able, maybe im bugged and need to ticket blizzard as i stated before. as when i went to buy more before the surge, it said i am currently at the max i can buy within a 24 month period.

[LightClaw]

as i said it flat out refuses to let me buy them, and i purchased 3 years worth of wow time when they were 28k per token. 36 was the max you could buy at that time? maybe in a few months when we hit the 24 month mark, i will be able to start purchasing again?

or if i am able, maybe im bugged and need to ticket blizzard as i stated before. as when i went to buy more before the surge, it said i am currently at the max i can buy within a 24 month period.

Honestly I don't know if it's anecdotal evidence, new blizz coders being bad, or the game being out for so long that there is just a stupid amount of coding pages to go through when adding new things, but through WoD and Legion I feel like I've heard about more weird personal code issues than the previous years so my recent advice if you find something that doesn't add up with what you expect: submit a ticket. Either you are correct and get the issue fixed or you are incorrect and nothing wasted (except the GM time but that's what they're paid for! )

[Kikazz]

Honestly I don't know if it's anecdotal evidence, new blizz coders being bad, or the game being out for so long that there is just a stupid amount of coding pages to go through when adding new things, but through WoD and Legion I feel like I've heard about more weird personal code issues than the previous years so my recent advice if you find something that doesn't add up with what you expect: submit a ticket. Either you are correct and get the issue fixed or you are incorrect and nothing wasted (except the GM time but that's what they're paid for! )

yep.

a ticket has been made lets see what happens

[Ealyssa]

couldn't find any statement that you couldn't "gift" a game key in return for payment.

Because that definition is in the law, not in the EULA.

A "gift VS payement" is by legal definition not a gift but a commercial transaction. Again you can't outsmart them, and you can't SELL their key by renaming it "gifting" that's both stupid and absurd.