101 Trait weapon AP costs.

[Teri]

Update, 101 traits costs 865.842.644.766.330

Seems like impossible to get 101, up to 65-70 traits is still doable at AK50 by the end of this year for sure.

Discuss, and if my math is wrong, post the numbers :P

Source : http://www.wowhead.com/news=260675/a...w-in-patch-7-2

Right now on live it takes 2.610 x 100 AP tokens from 0 to 54, at 25000 each at AK25.

In 7.2 it will take 31 x 100 AP token from 0 to 51 at 55 million each at AK50.

Here's the crazy part : It takes about 15 million x 100 AP token from 0 to 101.

--

AK 25 to 50 will take 125 days tho, 4 months.

--

Meant as discussion, I am not complaining about it.

[Utigarde]

It's almost like they don't want people to be rushing to cap out their artifact.

[Deleted]

good. I like that, because I can keep my cool. Gonna have a laugh about all those people freaking out

[Teri]

It's almost like they don't want people to be rushing to cap out their artifact.

Yes I know that's the intent, with concordance of legionfall buff vs a static %, and the new system is fine imo.

[RuneDK]

I'm okay with it, will be nice to not feel forced to get to a magic number of traits.

[Beefkow]

im gonna laugh if PUGS make a requirement to have your artifact weapon completely maxed out.

[VladimirM]

Just read a 101 weapon takes 79,739,892,266,330 AP.

And at AK50, that would mean 361,141 tokens that are 100,000 now at AK25 (220,800,400 at AK50)

Seems like impossible to get, up to 75 traits however, the system is very reasonable at AK50.

Discuss, and if my math is wrong, post the numbers :P

Source : http://www.wowhead.com/news=260675/a...w-in-patch-7-2

first part of your post is like you said:
Mobs on broken isles have 700k hp +
level 10 character would be able to kill it in 12 hours

[Camthur]

I think it's pretty awesome. The diehard grinders will have plenty to keep themselves busy with while us more laid back people will surely appreciate AK 50 for alts and such. It's perfectly acceptable to me for Blizzard to add goals that are nigh impossible to reach just to let a certain chunk of the player base to have something to do. As long as they don't lock some pet or mount behind some absurd grindy number, I'm fine with it.

[Teri]

So I did some more calculating, Wowhead calculator data gives even bigger number at 101,

Perspective on total AP costs to get to trait from 0.
35 - 6.8 million
40 - 70.8 million
45 - 330.8 million
50 - 1.3 billion
55 - 4.93 billion
60 - 18.4 billion
65 - 63.4 billion
70 - 254 billion
75 - 943.4 billion
80 - 3.5 trillion
85 - 13 trillion
90 - 48 trillion
95 - 179 trillion
100 - 665 trillion
101 - 865 trillion

Using wowhead as prime source, and it's still PTR.

[TyrianFC]

It sounds fine to me. Nobody expects people to cap 101, and people will always have a use for AP. (Even though for virtually everyone it wont be worth farming the last paragon points for better concordance proc).

[Teri]

Using a 100k at AK25 token as a standard measurement, which gives 220million at AK50.

Trait 68 is comparable to trait 54 in amount of AP tokens at max AK.
653 tokens for 54
684 tokens for 68

- - - Updated - - -

It sounds fine to me. Nobody expects people to cap 101, and people will always have a use for AP. (Even though for virtually everyone it wont be worth farming the last paragon points for better concordance proc).

It is fine imo, if anything, getting the normal traits up to 50 will easy, even for offspecs.

Now I do not know if we still get stamina or healer/tank damage after 50 traits, since they basicly give us the power of 54 traits for 36 traits.

[Zeidia]

I like it tbh, i got my main spec weapon at 54 and both off specs at 35 and when i spend more points on them i feel like im wasting that points since i'll never be arms or protection as main spec, it will be nice to have something to spend the artifact power without using it on any off spec which i'll never use.

[Yunaqt]

So getting from 100 - 101 trait will take 3,623,188 100 AP tokens at AK50.

Trait 101 cost: 200,000,000,000,000
100AP token at AK50: 55.2M
200T/55.2M = 3,623,188

AK50 = 55200000%
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...TR-Build-23657

That seems pretty hectic, however it curbs grinding levels at lower AK levels much more than previously as that same token at a few less AK levels is much less significant resulting in over twice as long right up to max, which wasn't the case this time round with 35 - 54.

This will likely change before going live as I don't see it becoming as much of a grind once you hit AK50 as they stated it would take roughly the same time to get 54 weapons which looking at these figures would clearly be untrue.

[Teri]

So getting from 100 - 101 trait will take 158.5 100 AP tokens at AK50.

Trait 101 cost: 865T
100AP token at AK50: 5.52T
865T/5.52T = 158.5 (1 d.p)

AK50 = 55200000%
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...TR-Build-23657

That seems pretty normal, however it curbs grinding levels at lower AK levels much more than previously as that same token at a few less AK levels is much less significant resulting in over twice as long right upto max, which wasn't the case this time round with 35 - 54.

100AP@AK 49: 4.426T ~195 Tokens
100AP@AK 47: 2.512T ~344 Tokens
100AP@AK 45: 1.486T ~582 Tokens

I think you missed a few decimals.

It's 865 Trillion Total from 0 to 101.

865.000.000.000.000, 12 zeros.

A 100 AP token at AK 50 is about 55.000.000 , 6 zeroes.

= 15 million x 100 AP tokens at AK50

100, to 101 costs 200.000.000.000.000 so that's 3.64 million 55.000.000 tokens.

55 million Percent increase is a 550.000 multiplier, just like right now 25000% is 250x, 100 AP token is 25000 at current AK25.

Right now on live it takes 2.610 x 100 AP tokens from 0 to 54, at 25000 each at AK25.

In 7.2 it will take only 31 x 100 AP token from 0 to 51 at 55 million each at AK50.

[Frolk]

Good thing the 50trait has major dimishing returns(power vs. time spent), only ppl thats gon farm the shit out of it are the top 30 guilds to kill bosses in first 2-3weeks, everyone else can chill and farm AP at a bit slower pace and not worry about losing out on dps.

[Yunaqt]

I think you missed a few decimals.

SNIP

Whoops, yeah quickly scrawling while meant to be working my bad >.>

-----

While it's step now the thing that I do like s that you can see large jumps per traits unlike Live where 35 - 54 was relatively linear with 35 being 1,635,200 and 54 only being 4,175,000. Putting more emphasis on getting AK to progress rather than hitting 35 and it being a grind to the finish line creating the extreme disparity in traits/power level for those putting in large amounts of grinding vs those without.

[Teri]

Good thing the 50trait has major dimishing returns(power vs. time spent), only ppl thats gon farm the shit out of it are the top 30 guilds to kill bosses in first 2-3weeks, everyone else can chill and farm AP at a bit slower pace and not worry about losing out on dps.

Also consider the major wait time toward AK50, but insane gain of artifact knowledge, grinding like crazy early on will be insanely ineffective.

- - - Updated - - -

Whoops, yeah quickly scrawling while meant to be working my bad >.>

No problem at all, crazy big numbers are a pain for me too.

[Shelly]

Blizzard knows exactly how many months it'll take to hit max AK.

Only once you hit max AK is it worthwhile to farm for AK, thus as soon as bleeding edge guilds hit max AK they'll start farming AP like crazy to max out their weapons and gain any possible benefit they can before Argus.

Same as they did in Nighthold.

[Teri]

Blizzard knows exactly how many months it'll take to hit max AK.

Only once you hit max AK is it worthwhile to farm for AK, thus as soon as bleeding edge guilds hit max AK they'll start farming AP like crazy to max out their weapons and gain any possible benefit they can before Argus.

Same as they did in Nighthold.

Yeah obviously it's also used as a system to keep people subbed too, 125 days of not wanting to fall behind.

Sure you could likely buy like AK 40 on a new account somewhere 7.3, but that's nowhere even close to AK50 values.

[Traveler Voltin]

Sigh more stupid AP