MSNBC has Trump's Tax Returns. (Will show them at 9PM EST)

[Coffeh]

except it's not a mystery to me? at all? I'm well aware of how deep and wide spread the corruption in Washington is, that's why I didn't bother voting at all ( well coupled with living in CA, thanks electoral college!).

Well, I'm with you on that. I saw no difference in choosing a giant douche or a turd sandwich. But your post illustrated another failing of the Democratic party. You talk about Trump gluing a toupee onto his head. Is that really something you want to concentrate on? For the very small percentage of actual intelligent, informed voters hearing such pointless, immature 'critique' is only going to help convince them there aren't more substantial criticisms.

[Deleted]

alright, well forgive me for interrupting "what I don't understand I leave to a higher power" as "why should I bother looking into things, cuz Gaod". also god.

no.... I don't.

Well. I honestly don't know what you are talking about. Maybe we are talking past each other. So best lets leave it at that

[Theinquisition]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...-return-222041

Could care less about his taxes.

Im referimg to the fact that he didnt have a true full time job until he was elected to mayor, and didnt pay appropriate child support for his son.

Dont you think it odd that we heard next to nothing about his son and exwife during his campaign.

[Nadiru]

More than beating Donald Trump, if I haven't made it perfectly clear already, my super-goal is a return to respect for norms and rules in our political process. The fact that somehow, someway, Trump supporters don't recognize that they are open to and committting the exact same overreach that Obama supporters did in 2009, is mindboggling to me. They may love pressing the "undo button" on Obama, but they won't love when Trump's liberal successor, whenever that happens, does the exact same thing or worse.

According to your own chart, Trump's campaign spending was a direct reversion to what the historical norm would've been, assuming 'normalized spending' means 'adjusted for inflation.'

[Sky High]

Well. I honestly don't know what you are talking about. Maybe we are talking past each other. So best lets leave it at that

hey, you're the one who keeps bringing up faith. "oh, I feel it in my heart of hearts Trump will do great", I don't believe in god, destiny or any of that crap. so yeah better to leave it here.

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hey, you're the one who keeps bringing up faith. "oh, I feel it in my heart of hearts Trump will do great", I don't believe in god, destiny or any of that crap. so yeah better to leave it here.

Well it hurts that you call it crap, but I have to respect that you are a non-believer and I am not going to continue bothering you with that.

I really like your Godzilla avatar and signature though

[Sky High]

Well, I'm with you on that. I saw no difference in choosing a giant douche or a turd sandwich. But your post illustrated another failing of the Democratic party. You talk about Trump gluing a toupee onto his head. Is that really something you want to concentrate on? For the very small percentage of actual intelligent, informed voters hearing such pointless, immature 'critique' is only going to help convince them there aren't more substantial criticisms.

lol oh good grief, his hair is literally the least of my concerns when it comes to Trump. I just brought it up cuz I like being a cheeky fucker. regardless anyone who is informed and intelligent doesn't need MY convincing to see how shite Trump is.

[LilSaihah]

Expecting a shaggy dog tbqh.

[Miztickow]

Could care less about his taxes.

Im referimg to the fact that he didnt have a true full time job until he was elected to mayor, and didnt pay appropriate child support for his son.

Dont you think it odd that we heard next to nothing about his son and exwife during his campaign.

"Sanders was a carpenter before he got into politics, and later wrote, produced, and sold “radical film strips” and other education materials to schools about people like Eugene Debs.

Sanders still has a portrait of Debs on the wall of his Senate office, and calls him a “hero of mine.” Debs founded the American Socialist Party and ran for president six times, unsuccessfully. Sanders wrote and produced a documentary about the socialist and fought to get it aired on Vermont’s PBS station."
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/the-25-be...e-sanders-book

[Skroe]

According to your own chart, Trump's campaign spending was a direct reversion to what the historical norm would've been, assuming 'normalized spending' means 'adjusted for inflation.'

And even with that, it was still the fourth most expensive campaign since 1972. , and third behind both Obama elections, and far greater than any pre-2004 campaign. It's not a reversion to the historical norm before. It's just modestly less worse.

[Coffeh]

lol oh good grief, his hair is literally the least of my concerns when it comes to Trump. I just brought it up cuz I like being a cheeky fucker. regardless anyone who is informed and intelligent doesn't need MY convincing to see how shite Trump is.

I just used it as an example about how the MSM and Democratic party handled his entire campaign. They concentrated on the superfluous.

As far as this thread...hell, MSNBC needs to try anything in order to get some kind of ratings. They look like utter fools now, but I'm sure they don't care. They got a bunch of people to tune in.

[Theinquisition]

"Sanders was a carpenter before he got into politics, and later wrote, produced, and sold “radical film strips” and other education materials to schools about people like Eugene Debs.

Sanders still has a portrait of Debs on the wall of his Senate office, and calls him a “hero of mine.” Debs founded the American Socialist Party and ran for president six times, unsuccessfully. Sanders wrote and produced a documentary about the socialist and fought to get it aired on Vermont’s PBS station."
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/the-25-be...e-sanders-book

He was reported to be a failed carpenter, even his best friend at the time said that he was awful at it and was living in a bare earth shack.

Nothing else linked showed he was anything more than a failed activist and poet before being elected.

[Sky High]

Well it hurts that you call it crap, but I have to respect that you are a non-believer and I am not going to continue bothering you with that.

I really like your Godzilla avatar and signature though

Gojira! also thanks.

[Trollhammer]

Ï hear Russia hacked his 2005 tax return so it looks like he paid his taxes.

[Sky High]

I just used it as an example about how the MSM and Democratic party handled his entire campaign. They concentrated on the superfluous.

As far as this thread...hell, MSNBC needs to try anything in order to get some kind of ratings. They look like utter fools now, but I'm sure they don't care. They got a bunch of people to tune in.

oh no I agree, Clinton and the media have no idea how to deal with Trump. the 24 hour news blight on our MSM compels them to run around and pick up every little thing he says cuz god damn does that bring on the ratings. Clinton has even less of an excuse given she had plenty of subjects she could have taken, focused on, and bludgeoned Trump to dust on, but choose instead to focus on myopic shit like "oh he used a bad word! see!? he's unfit!"

[Venant]

So is it true that Trump finally made Rachel Maddow's brain break?

[Theinquisition]

Ï hear Russia hacked his 2005 tax return so it looks like he paid his taxes.

Lol damned putin.

Btw your "I" key is broken.

[Nadiru]

And even with that, it was still the fourth most expensive campaign since 1972. , and third behind both Obama elections, and far greater than any pre-2004 campaign. It's not a reversion to the historical norm before. It's just modestly less worse.

Since your argument was that Bush '43 broke that norm in 1999, Trump is evidently not "modestly less worse" if you have to reach back to 1972 to find a comparison where Trump looks bad.

[mage21]

She threw some Tax returns up that showed nothing shady (but also are extremely old), big deal. No scandal was promised in them. The interesting ones are later. The ones after and including 2011 are most important as that's when his dance with Russia began.

I don't think you quite understand Laurcus. Many of us, myself include, want to destroy Trump and what he stands for, period. And we'll use every tool at our disposal. We won't be fair, and not every tool will work, but we'll weaponize even the most banal stuff to crack his administration open. If he's fighting scandals, he isn't governing, which is the entire point.

I don't like Maddow one bit. She's super liberal. I'm conservative. She's an in-your-face Lesbian. I think a person's sexuality is not a matter of public business. But she's, who has a show with a political slant, is doing exactly what needs to be done to besiege this Administration.

I still remember when you had told me that I had betrayed conservatism by voting for Trump. Can you look at Gorsuch and still feel that way? Can you look at the regulation policies and still feel that way? Defense spending? How can you be so rabid for the destruction of a candidate that at least makes conservative decisions? Are you so convinced that there's a scandal just waiting around the corner ready to completely derail American progress that you're willing to preemptively make it your mission to destroy him?

I just don't understand, and I suppose it's not really the thread to do it. I just don't know what to make of you, Skroe.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Errrr 'fraid not. Nobody has expected removing Trump was going to be quick.

It wasn't going to be the tax returns that did him in.
It wasn't going to be one, two or five Russia revelations
It wasn't going to be one or two bad EOs
Itw asn't going to be one or two scandals.

It was going to be all that, and more, coupled with a "big one" and a bad 2018 for Republicans, that would trash Trump.

Steve Bannon has a strategy. Defeating him and trump will require a strategy. Far from "the flames of resistance dying", two criticial things happened this week.

(1) Trump's "Obama wiretapped me" B.S. has turned into a serious scandal tthat is deeply undermining the Administration, especially among Congressional republicans.

(2) The Healthcare nightmare is isolating Trump from House and Senate Republicans who are unwilling to kamikaze for him. They know if they pass Trumpcare as written, they'll pay for it in 2018 very dearly. They know that if they fail to repeal Obamacare, the Tea Party will come after them.

This has been a disastrous week for the Trump Administration, but the most important element of destroying Trump - turning Paul Ryan and Republicans against him - is starting to gradually come into focus. Are we near where it needs to be yet? No. When will we get there? When it leaks out Trump wants Ryan replaced as Speaker... which won't happen.

The most important thing the Resistance can do in the next couple of months is do everything possible to turn Donald Trump and Paul Ryan against each other. Things like Tax returns, and even Russia leaks are less important than depriving Trump of powerful allies.

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Oh I know. I know where you head is on this.

I think a lot of Trump supporters are being hysterically short sighted though. This norm breaking will bite them in the ass. Republicans celebrated the norm breaking in 2000, but were squashed like bugs in 2008 and 2012

I strongly doubt this'll happen. Sure, in a perfect, predictable world, it would. Reality is that none of these two points are massive losses. Wikileaks publications of CIA materials connects the dots that are missing and it's yet something that will irrevocably hit the democrats in time. Likewise, the republicans are already against Trump. Healthcare reform will be interesting, but then again it's time to put in perspective the reality: This was stated by Trump as only the beginning of the healthcare reform. It is therefore precarious to claim that Trump's healthcare will be a "disaster". Although it sounds good on TV, I guess.

I know a lot of people want to see Trump fail. In a lot of ways, his presidency is wrong. Yet you cannot forget that he is only the consequence of the people who thought they could bend the rules until a breaking point - ultimately, it is a sign of cultural, governmental and societal sickness. We cannot expect our current governments' hierarchy and structure to deliver in a post-modern era. All I can hope for is a complete crash of the international political and structural system.

You think you're playing the long game until Trump falls - mine's even longer and perhaps even less likely. But I can't just be a bystander while I see humanity's bastion heading toward a dystopian era. If that means supporting Trump, then that's something I'm willing to do.