Dutch Voters Divided As Election Signals Another Test For Anti-Immigrant Populism

[xskarma]

Im not sure if it was VVD, but i thought it was. D66 will be for something like this anyway, but i think i member this being a VVD thing as well. Anyhow, i really hope its not CU, please let it not be CU..

Last time the CU was part of the government they were basically just puppets doing what the CDA wanted and getting absolutely nothing of their own viewpoints enacted. I would assume they would get similar results if they were brought along again. Not enough people care about their viewpoints on religion in that coalition to make anything happen.

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I think the fall of the socialdemocrats is a bit of a concern, given it follows a trend across the continent.
But I'm happy with Wilders not getting anywhere near power.

[Arenis]

Hoping to see Green Left in the coalition too, but that chance is incredibly tiny...

[Risale]

You have no idea how this works, do you?
Exit polls are only slightly different from the actual result because they ask thousands of people what they just voted for the moment they walk out of the voting booth.

And VVD/D66/CDA/CU is a likely coalition.

I do know how it works but all I am seeing is that you should never count your blessings before hand.
Look exit polls have been wrong before and that could even happen here in The NL that is all I am saying.
You may think that is stupid but that is your opinion as I have mine.
Don't forget opinions are like assholes everyone has one.

[Iphie]

Latest view 33 VVD, 25 CDA, 18 D66, this would be enough for a 3 party coalition (76), at 0:16.

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Last time the CU was part of the government they were basically just puppets doing what the CDA wanted and getting absolutely nothing of their own viewpoints enacted. I would assume they would get similar results if they were brought along again. Not enough people care about their viewpoints on religion in that coalition to make anything happen.

They did get a few things in, like the whole euthanasia thing, they got to block it with the catshuis proposals (that went sour) but they did have a say on a thing that is basically religion. And religion has no place, at all, in politics.

[Cairhiin]

Latest view 33 VVD, 25 CDA, 18 D66, this would be enough for a 3 party coalition (76), at 0:16.

Kinda odd PVV is doing so well in Limburg. Anyway, current results (after 44 municipalities) look more or less like exit polls.

[Iphie]

Kinda odd PVV is doing so well in Limburg. Anyway, current results (after 44 municipalities) look more or less like exit polls.

Wilders has home advantage, he's from Venlo. At least that's what they usually say about his succes.

[Malacrass]

And VVD/D66/CDA/CU is a likely coalition.

How stable are such 4 party coalitions, especially when they have a comparable amount of seats?

Really curious, until this week I wasn't aware how splintered the political landscape seems to be in the NL.

[Cairhiin]

Wilders has home advantage, he's from Venlo. At least that's what they usually say about his succes.

Ah, that explains a little. My parents municipality (Veere) voted VVD as I expected. Rich municipality living off of German tourism.

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How stable are such 4 party coalitions, especially when they have a comparable amount of seats?

Really curious, until this week I wasn't aware how splintered the political landscape seems to be in the NL.

Well, quite difficult. Means a lot of concessions are going to be made but VVD looks to be quite a bit bigger than the other three, so it will probably work. VVD and PvdA are far apart and worked pretty okay last term, so it's possible for sure.

[Rampant Rabbit]

Well balanced never happens, cause those parties are often at opposite ends of issues. Especially VVD (most right leaning central party) and the Socialist Party (SP, probably the most leftwing party that's not a niche party) are often completely at odd where it comes to social and economic policy. They'd never be able to agree to enough things to get a working partnership.

The most likely outcome is a central/rightwing coalition of VVD/CDA/D66/CU. They'd be able to get shit done cause they mostly agree on things.

Yeah, I like to give room for wishful thinking. VVD/CDA/D66/CU seems fine with me to be honest. Although I'd rather see another party in CU's place.

[Puupi]

How stable are such 4 party coalitions, especially when they have a comparable amount of seats?

Really curious, until this week I wasn't aware how splintered the political landscape seems to be in the NL.

In Finland the coalitions are usually 4-5 parties. 2 big + 2-3 support parties. Currently its 3 big without support parties though. Been relatively stable recently.

[Iphie]

How stable are such 4 party coalitions, especially when they have a comparable amount of seats?

Really curious, until this week I wasn't aware how splintered the political landscape seems to be in the NL.

Difficult to say, it really depends on the will to finish the journey. In my living memory the largest coalitions we've had were max 3.


Don't forget, @Puupi, we've got only 150 seats in parliament, you've got 200, and our system is different. Usually this makes 2-3 party coalitions easy.

[Deleted]

Eh considering both GL and D66 are pro EU. This is a win for the EU. Seeing as both parties are big winners.

Again, purely selective nitpicking. Both parties have a wide scala of subjects that the ill informed electorate is more concerned about ( climate change and education spring to mind) and least as importantly, the left as a whole has lost constituents; pro european parties included.

That being said the europ union was pushed to the background these elections. It still blows my mind how greeks inevetable (according to the latest imf report) debt crisis was never mentioned during the elections.

[Rampant Rabbit]

How stable are such 4 party coalitions, especially when they have a comparable amount of seats?

Really curious, until this week I wasn't aware how splintered the political landscape seems to be in the NL.

Splintered is a bit of a negative way of painting it.

The wider the political spectrum the better if you ask me. I wouldn't want there to be one big party, and have it be the exact opposite for everything I stand for. I would want someone on that side fighting for my opinions, and not making decisions based on presumptions.

[Cairhiin]

Again, purely selective nitpicking. Both parties have a wide scala of subjects that the ill informed electorate is more concerned about ( climate change and education spring to mind) and least as importantly, the left as a whole has lost constituents; pro european parties included.

That being said the europ union was pushed to the background these elections. It still blows my mind how greeks inevetable (according to the latest imf report) debt crisis was never mentioned during the elections.

It's not selective really, and yes I agree EU was pushed to the background but these elections are a clear signal that Holland votes for EU. If not they'd have voted for PVV. All winning parties are pro EU, even though Rutte wins because of the Turkey incident and economic growth. A referendum against the EU has no chance of succeeding in the Netherlands.

[Dolon]

you think it will be interesting if wilder guy wins and becomes next trump?

[P for Pancetta]

Ah, that explains a little. My parents municipality (Veere) voted VVD as I expected. Rich municipality living off of German tourism.

There are quite a few impoverished areas in Limburg, these people live shitty lives and they feel abandoned because the government helps foreigners but not them. Reality isn't that simple obviously. Then there is also the drug crime which runs rampant in the southern part of the Netherlands, just the other day an entire family just 100m from my house got lifted from their bed, A 22 year old guy was running a gang trading drugs, stealing and selling vehicles and extorting various people. Anyways a lot of people link foreigners to the drug crime, so they vote PVV.

[Cairhiin]

In Finland the coalitions are usually 4-5 parties. 2 big + 2-3 support parties. Currently its 3 big without support parties though. Been relatively stable recently.

Current government in Finland is quite shitty though, and Perussuomalaiset are makinge huge concessions, and with Soini leaving there's quite a power vacuum. Unfortunately, I can't vote in Finland (Well I can vote for municipal).

[Dolon]

Current government in Finland is quite shitty though, and Perussuomalaiset are makinge huge concessions, and with Soini leaving there's quite a power vacuum. Unfortunately, I can't vote in Finland (Well I can vote for municipal).

why you are in finland if you cant vote?