Last edited by Captain Douchebag; 2017-03-16 at 08:15 AM.
just that he was made heavily to be a good person at heart who made mistakes and was highly relatable compared to all the other characters. Especially the part you say selfish, he was the opposite.
The fact that it was a timetravel expansion just ruined it for me. The lengths they went to also try and make it feel less of a time travel expansion also made the content sour, but Gul'dan was a very good character to get out of it.Gul'dan was one of the very few interesting things to come out of WoD. I'm not ignoring AU Draenor, I'm saying they should refrain from doing such a thing again.
- - - Updated - - -
Time Travel ruined the entire Warcraft lore
I agree. It was fine as "Small pockets" Like going back to Strathholme and Black Morass (I just like to think we are removed from the memory of Thrall, Arthas after we return to our time).. But as major plot points I hate it. I hate it in comic, etc too though so It just a pet peeve.
Last edited by Trollhammer; 2017-03-16 at 08:40 AM.
The selfish part was actually edited out before you responded to me.
Early on, he was obsessed him proving himself to both Uther and his father.
As a paladin, he was rather reckless and impatient. He was terribly prideful aswell. In terms of his personality, he wasn't exactly the embodiment of a good paladin.
Now his quest to stop the scourge may have started with good intensions to save his people, but from the moment he met Kel'thuzad, it very quickly turned into "I give zero shits about anything other than my revenge!".
Anyone who wouldn't blindly follow him in his obsession with revenge, just became obstacles to him.
Now I'm not sayin he was outright evil from the beginning, he had good intensions early on. I'm saying he wasn't this "misunderstood, perfectly good guy", who only did what he did for the good of his people.
Many people paint him as "He sacrificed everything to save his people, such a noble good-hearted man", even though the majority of what he did, was because he was obsessed with proving himself and his lust for revenge.
Last edited by Captain Douchebag; 2017-03-16 at 10:31 AM.
Je veux le sang, sang, sang, et sang
Donnons le sang de guillotine
Pour guerir la secheresse de la guillotine
Je veux le sang, sang, sang, et sang.
Yeah. That's wrong... Also last I checked they were called the Tyr's Guard... The Knights of the Silver Hand were established by Alonsus Faol, both to fight the warlocks but also the death knights of the Horde. The first members were not knights and nobles... They were PRIESTS and Knights. Priests trained in martial combat like knights, and knights trained in the ethics and ways of the priest. Turalyon for example was a PRIEST before becoming one of the first paladins. The whole idea was created due to how massively the clerics of Northshire failed against the Horde. They were the first targeted and with their lacking combat knowledge they were so very vulnerable.
Also they were AWESOME for morale.
Last edited by mmoc661de564ba; 2017-03-16 at 02:14 PM.
Of course ours is the main one, in the way that it's the one we see and focus on. But the others exist and the single, One Legion is out to get all the universes equally. All the universes matter. You wont see that in game, as blizzard will most likely steer away from multiple universes since they proved they are horrible at anything time-wimey.
But those universes do exist and you only have your imagination as to what they will be going through, moving forward. I imagine Warcraft 4 is gonna show us that WoW was an alternative timeline and that the RTS series is the main one xD
Bring Arthas back so we can kill him again
There's a set of Titans for each universe... Only demons transcend all timelines.
There's a set of aspects for each universe... Nozdormu talks about possible timelines, for our universe, but that doesn't include the actual other ones that do exist. There's not one Nozdormu patrolling millions of universes.
Lore wise, all timelines are the ones to protect the most, to those inhabitants. We're not gonna see 100's of portals open up and see 100's of alliances and hordes pouring into our timeline cause it's the most important one. Though that is kinda what Wrathion and Kairoz wanted to do.
Except in the AU the Burning Legion was defeated by time-travelling "invaders" (in this case, us) from another dimension or continuity and the Dark Portal on AU Draenor has been co-opted and linked to MU Azeroth as opposed to AU Azeroth. So it's likely AU Azeroth will never experience a Second or Third War in their continuity now.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
We know there is one world soul left. If we assume that the burning legion (since they knew about AU Draenor before we interfered) knows about AU Azeroth then that Azeroth does not house a world soul. It probably also won't exist much longer if it did. I doubt "All timelines are the prime" one. Also it would make the words of Aman'thul completely pointless and factually wrong since he said "Know there is only one True timeline". Saying all of them are just kind of ignores the lore and fabricates it because you want it that way.
See the problem is that Arthas wasn't necessarily a golden boy.
Remove the temptation (Lich King)... remove the opportunity (Stratholme) and he still possesses that extremist all or nothing attitude.
Remember the line from Muradin "You lied to your men and betrayed the mercenaries who fought for you!" that happens BEFORE he picks up Frostmourne. All so he can pursue and destroy Mal'ganis.
The man is selfish, vengeful, and uncaring... not the qualities of a hero.
That aspect of Arthas' personality is on display even before he was hardened by Stratholme and his vendetta against Mal'ganis - in one of the very first scenes with Arthas he is upbraided by Uther for his bloodlust against the demon-worshipping Orcs near Strahnbrad, and Uther tells him that vengeance can't be part of what it means to be a Paladin. It's a lesson that Arthas never internalizes and a mistake he repeats before he is eventually damned by Frostmourne and the Lich King.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
The assumption cannot be made that he would ever learn that or take that lesson to heart... simply because he was not given the chance to.
How many countless stories has a pupil learning from a master/teacher and only listens to the parts about gaining power and defeating ones enemies and ignores any wisdom in benevolence.