Great news: Employers are allowed to ban burquas!

[Dadwen]

This isn't a dress code, this is an undress code.

Are you comfortable now that all employers can now tell you to undress or you'll get fired ?

In some places they already can if it's seen a safety or security issue.

[Trassk]

I just banned visible tattoos from my workplace. Those who have them must either quit or be flayed.

/sarcasm.

See, I know its a joke, but this could also be a serious topic of its own. Lets say someone has a swastika on their wrist or forehead, or 'kill or jews' or 'kill all gays' tattooed on the back of their bald head, or a pair of big tits on their forearm, the fact someone would be stupid enough to have that done, means anyone has the right not to hire them.

That said, if its just tattoo art without any offensive or suggestive symbolism, I don't see the problem.

[Logwyn]

There are people who actually have these at work in your country?

Yes. Yes there are. Why are you surprised? I've been in offices that have a wide variety of religions symbols on display. Why should this surprise you?

Its kinda a nice thing that some people can sit next to a Jew, a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist, and an Atheist not be at each others throats get there work done and go home to their families.

[Mehrunes]

This isn't a dress code, this is an undress code.

Are you comfortable now that all employers can now tell you to undress or you'll get fired ?

Not only is this nothing but a semantic argument, but you somehow failed to realize undressing already applies to dress code. If you come to work in a coat on top of your suit and the dress code is suit, then an employer can tell you to undress from the coat or punish you for not abiding by the dress code.

[DJ117]

Then what was all that blubbing over the mean old Endus coming to hurt all the poor innocent racists?

I was praising Endus for his censoring.

[powerstuck]

There are people who actually have these at work in your country?

I think a small statue not larger than a fist on the corner of your desk is fine, really. It's your personal area and it's not outrageously obvious. I have never witnessed this, however.

Just to be clear, I am not against any of those, but my comment just goes to show that THIS law, that allows employers to enforce what's allowed and what is not...has very high potential to lead to more dumb situations.

To take the example of the statue, of course it doesn't do anything to anyone...but if I was an employer, I would enforce equity rules. That's just me.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Just to be clear, I am not against any of those, but my comment just goes to show that THIS law, that allows employers to enforce what's allowed and what is not...has very high potential to lead to more dumb situations.

To take the example of the statue, of course it doesn't do anything to anyone...but if I was an employer, I would enforce equity rules. That's just me.

Yes, there's indeed a line that needs to be drawn. Perhaps it's best to remove everything and save yourself a lot of trouble. On the other hand, it just seems absolutely impossible to prevent every single religious signs, as even modern cultural practices has religious roots (christmas comes to mind, with the christmas tree). Christmas may have lost its religious meaning a few decades ago, but some people still use it in a christian fashion.

I don't know what I'd do in face of a situation like that.

[Deleted]

Then what was all that blubbing over the mean old Endus coming to hurt all the poor innocent racists?

Because SJW like you seem to confuse people disliking something to the same level of "I can't even" and "Literally shaking" like all other pathetic Socialist wallflowers do when they face a different opinion.

Endus is a Hypocrite; Just like you are.

[Deleted]

I really f***ing hate racist Jews. You'd think they'd have picked up on the whole "racism is bad" thing after the holocaust.

I will probably get infracted for saying this ("moderation discussion"), but consider yourself reported. Also, seek a therapy - being a nazi is curable in other ways that a bullet.

[Aprex]

Actually if you go to makka (The Muslims holy city) a women has to show her face or it does not count as a deed. So no it is not religious

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So this isn't an attack on religion this is an attack on culture taking women right to wear a burqua is oppressing them and yes forcing them is to but the reason they are both oppressing is the lack of choice.

[belfpala]

See, I know its a joke, but this could also be a serious topic of its own. Lets say someone has a swastika on their wrist or forehead, or 'kill or jews' or 'kill all gays' tattooed on the back of their bald head, or a pair of big tits on their forearm, the fact someone would be stupid enough to have that done, means anyone has the right not to hire them.

That said, if its just tattoo art without any offensive or suggestive symbolism, I don't see the problem.

Yeah.

And I wasn't really joking. "Banning visible tattoos" is just a simple way to avoid a judgment call. It's a concern for the employer (legally) if employees are uncomfortable with it, and a concern for the business if customers are uncomfortable with it.

When I bring the same logic to mandatory clothing, though, it's a bit different. Can I force an observant Jew to shave the corners of his face? I don't think I really can unless facial hair in general is also banned.

[Trassk]

Yeah.

And I wasn't really joking. "Banning visible tattoos" is just a simple way to avoid a judgment call. It's a concern for the employer (legally) if employees are uncomfortable with it, and a concern for the business if customers are uncomfortable with it.

When I bring the same logic to mandatory clothing, though, it's a bit different. Can I force an observant Jew to shave the corners of his face? I don't think I really can unless facial hair in general is also banned.

see this is where the line of acceptability is drawn. I think anyone has the right to practice whatever religion they want in their own home or place of worship. However outside of that anyone should adhere to the standards and practices of any non religious setting, be it a workplace, school, college, hospital or so on.

If you have a group of nudists, people who are most comfortable naked in their own home or at nudist sites, you don't hear nudists protesting the right to go completely bollock naked in the workplace, they understand the standards and practices in the rest of society and don't do it. So when you have religious people protesting the right to have all forms of religious symbolism in a workplace including what they wear, they are not following the standards and practices of the rest of society.

[belfpala]

see this is where the line of acceptability is drawn. I think anyone has the right to practice whatever religion they want in their own home or place of worship. However outside of that anyone should adhere to the standards and practices of any non religious setting, be it a workplace, school, college, hospital or so on.

If you have a group of nudists, people who are most comfortable naked in their own home or at nudist sites, you don't hear nudists protesting the right to go completely bollock naked in the workplace, they understand the standards and practices in the rest of society and don't do it. So when you have religious people protesting the right to have all forms of religious symbolism in a workplace including what they wear, they are not following the standards and practices of the rest of society.

We're agreed. I'm a devout atheist, and I like to wear a hoodie, grow my hair long, and listen to industrial music. I do no impose that on others unless they're in my house.

[Mormolyce]

Because SJW like you seem to confuse people disliking something to the same level of "I can't even" and "Literally shaking" like all other pathetic Socialist wallflowers do when they face a different opinion.

Endus is a Hypocrite; Just like you are.

I'm not an "SJW" or "socialist" or whatever other strawman you'd like to erect for me.

I just hate idiots and enjoy dismantling them on the internet.

And blow your nose at least.

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I was praising Endus for his censoring.

Wallowing in self pity over how "persecuted" you are, you mean.

[Halicia]

Not only is this nothing but a semantic argument, but you somehow failed to realize undressing already applies to dress code. If you come to work in a coat on top of your suit and the dress code is suit, then an employer can tell you to undress from the coat or punish you for not abiding by the dress code.

No, I do understand that... but I also accept that if you can start firing people because their race/religion doesn't abide by your "dress code", that becomes an issue.

"Sorry, our dress code says no blacks allowed. Please go home and change and we'll consider letting you work here."

[DJ117]

I'm not an "SJW" or "socialist" or whatever other strawman you'd like to erect for me.

I just hate idiots and enjoy dismantling them on the internet.

And blow your nose at least.

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Wallowing in self pity over how "persecuted" you are, you mean.

I do not understand what you mean. Praise Endus and his protection of us all against the darkness.

[munkeyinorbit]

But we all know it's just aimed at burqas or hijabs though.

Is it the lawmakers that are racist or is it your racist interpretation. Because we all know that is not what the law says. It doesn't identify any religious group over another one.

[ranzino]

Is it the lawmakers that are racist or is it your racist interpretation. Because we all know that is not what the law says. It doesn't identify any religious group over another one.

Ok, to be honest: a crucifix on necklace is easier to hide than headscarf or turban and somebody will for sure moan over that fact.

[God-King Skovald]

Men don't cry.

Mormolyce is just projecting.

[Felnoire]

I see some who have caught onto the truth.. obviously vampires have taken over the EU and are getting trying to get rid of religious symbols.. shame I live where I do.. can't even use the sun to defend myself. Stupid mythical ball of fire that burns people, never around when you need it.

Seriously though, was already under the impression an employer could decide to not to allow religious stuff on their premises. Though I prefer giving people a choice, if they want to wear their thing go ahead. No face covering, same reason for no motor cycle helmets being worn indoors.