AMD Zen processors...Are you interested?

[Fascinate]

Oooh lookey lookey:
https://www.techpowerup.com/231585/a...t-memory-speed

Apparently the communication between the complexes on ryzen are directly related to memory speed. Given the almost complete lack of proper 3200mhz reviews on launch day, that could at least make up for some of the gaming results.

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this is interesting. nice fps boost from faster ram

[Gray_Matter]

So ive found a nice balance with these early bios's, 3.7 all core overclock with only 1.168v and got my ram to 2400 cas 15. Max CPU temps in games are sub 45c with stock cooler and got a nice bump in cinebench to 1597.

Gonna leave it here til asrock gets some new UEFI's out. My PC is legit silent, gtx 1060's with overbuilt coolers are the ultimate GPU if you want a quiet PC. During load the fans never go above 900 rpm and stays 60c or lower lol.

I love a quiet PC.

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the design is intentional, because its cheaper for AMD to make their Zens via comboing 2x smaller CCXs (4+4, 3+3, 2+2 etc.), rather than one huge mono design like Intel

they probably view the latency issues as acceptable hit


devs can perhaps manage somewhat better specifically for Zen, but they cant do anything about slowdowns as soon as one CCX talks to the other

Devs will definitely design with that in mind. We code things this way to cater for special situations with Intel chips all of the time.

[Parrin]

this is interesting. nice fps boost from faster ram

Yeah. 16% is pretty impressive. Especially considering that Intel was seeing a max of 5% on only one game last August.

*edit: At 1080p

[Fascinate]

It is awesome, but dam if 90%+ of people right now are stuck at 2133 or 2400 lol. AMD did say by may all the ram issues should be sorted, just hoping asrock fixes it sooner

[Life-Binder]

this is interesting. nice fps boost from faster ram

same for Intel - http://www.techspot.com/article/1171...nce/page3.html

though it depends mostly on the game

[Gray_Matter]

You dont get what im saying lol, i didnt look at steam survey i just know that most people have 1080 60hz monitors. 144hz panels are getting more popular, but if you took an actual survey of all "gamers" it would be massively in favor of 1080p 60hz monitors something like 90/10.

I took a look at last years sales. 144Mhz monitors made up 0.3% of all monitor sales. That's for 1 year. Previous years were lower. So the number of people using those monitors is a drop in the ocean. Of course, those people would be better off with a 7700K.

[Fascinate]

I took a look at last years sales. 144Mhz monitors made up 0.3% of all monitor sales. That's for 1 year. Previous years were lower. So the number of people using those monitors is a drop in the ocean. Of course, those people would be better off with a 7700K.

Yup i was including resolutions above 1080 in the 90/10 comment, but its probably closer to 95/5.

[Gray_Matter]

There's a difference between waiting for working hardware and waiting for better hardware.

The first gen Ryzens will work properly after a month or two so then it makes no difference if you buy one now or after those couple of months. You are talking about waiting for Zen2 which is waiting for better hardware and we know that wait can be never ending.

[Kuntantee]

Is it just me or Zen is a bit expensive compared to past AMD CPUs?

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Ryzen is running now, without a proper driver.

Driver? Why would a CPU need a driver?

[Gorgodeus]

Is it just me or Zen is a bit expensive compared to past AMD CPUs?

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Driver? Why would a CPU need a driver?

Older AMD CPUS are total crap, hence why they are so cheap. Compared to Intel CPUs, the new AMDs are are a much better value to performance.

As for drivers, OS have drivers that work in conjunction with CPUs. Windows has none as yet for RyZen.

[Kuntantee]

OS have drivers that work in conjunction with CPUs.

What does it do?

[Gorgodeus]

What does it do?

I am using the term "driver" loosely here. In a modern system both memory and the CPU require kernel mode code, just like devices do, to function.

Memory requires management of virtual memory tables. The CPU requires maintenance of process control structures.

If you have not noticed, Microsoft has already announced that any Windows version before Windows 10 will not support the newest CPUs from either AMD or Intel, which means no Kaby Lake or Zen support.

[chazus]

If you have not noticed, Microsoft has already announced that any Windows version before Windows 10 will not support the newest CPUs from either AMD or Intel, which means no Kaby Lake or Zen support.

They do support it, they just wont give updates to those systems.

[Vash The Stampede]

Is it just me or Zen is a bit expensive compared to past AMD CPUs?

It's high, and probably based on Intel prices. The FX-8100 was $200 at launch, and the 8350 was also $200. The FX-4100 was $115, compared to the 1400 at $169. This is expected since Intel set such a high bar with prices. Despite AMD's higher price, Intel makes it look like buying a RyZen is like robbery. And this is why we need Intel to be properly competitive, and drop prices. They won't, cause they're Intel, and the Intel fanboys will still claim that Intel is worth paying the extra fortune on.

Until people start buying the smart buy, which is RyZen, then Intel will continue to keep their prices high and so will AMD. Remember this is a company who made the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition for $1k, that was hardly any faster compared to their mainstream processors, but costed a fortune to own. Here we are, back to full circle with the i7-6900K for $1k. Except, the 6900K does have twice the cores and not some silly slight speed bump like the Extreme Edition.

[Life-Binder]

Skylake-X 6c/12t for $370-400, Skylake-X 8c/16t for $550-600 and they right back in the game


and later Coffee 6c for $300-350

[Vash The Stampede]

Skylake-X 6c/12t for $370-400, Skylake-X 8c/16t for $550-600 and they right back in the game


and later Coffee 6c for $300-350

Launching in August 2017 with a new x299 platform. I wonder if they'll let Nvidia make Nforce again?

[Artorius]

A theoretical Skylake-X 8/16 SKU would only have an average advantage of ~33% over Ryzen including AVX256 scenarios and ~9% excluding them, clock for clock.
Now you add the clock difference (let's suppose it'll have a 15% OC'd clock advantage putting it at 4.6GHz) and now you have something that is ~25% better in most things and even better in AVX256 tasks.

Even using your unlikely pricing, Ryzen would still offer better perf/$ when a 1700 only costs you 330 USD. And that's not considering that X299 boards will likely be more expensive than AM4 boards due to all the extra features they pack with them.

In this beautiful fantasy scenario, if money wasn't that much of a problem and you needed it for whatever reason. 550~600 USD in Skylake-X isn't an absurd like the current 1K USD BD-E, and both purchases would probably be fine and make sense depending on preferences. But you'd still be paying 66% more (excluding the difference in mobo's pricing) for ~25+% better performance.

[Life-Binder]

Ryzen would still offer better perf/$

obviously, the more expensive/high-end any part is, the worse its p/p is, thats an ironclad rule, price increases faster than performance does


enthusiasts will pay for this

~25% better in most things

25% is a whole lot in the PC world

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but considering select samples of 6900K can already get to stable 4.5 GHz OC, Id like to expect more than 4.6 out of Skylake-X 6c/8c

[Gorgodeus]

They do support it, they just wont give updates to those systems.

Nope.

Microsoft's director of Windows business planning, blogged earlier this month:

Future silicon platforms including Intel's upcoming 7th Gen Intel Core (Kaby Lake) processor family and AMD’s 7th generation processors (e.g. Bristol Ridge) will only be supported on Windows 10, and all future silicon releases will require the latest release of Windows 10.

Also:

Intel spokesman Scott Massey told us, "per Microsoft's support policy, they made the decision that Windows 10 would be the only Windows OS supported on 7th-gen Intel Core" processors. He added: "The Microsoft support change obviously doesn't impact other operating systems."

Also:

A Microsoft spokesperson told us:

As new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the latest Windows platform at that time for support. This enables us to focus on deep integration between Windows and the silicon, while maintaining maximum reliability and compatibility with previous generations of platform and silicon.

Windows 10 will be the only supported Windows platform on Intel’s upcoming 7th Gen Intel Core (Kaby Lake) silicon.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/0..._lake_amd_zen/